[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Uh oh king, looks like you should...

 

Enough poo has been flung about on this thread to manure a few thousand corn farms. Maybe it's time to move it to D&D ... heh.

 

I last left this thread on page 3. It appears that yall have been quite busy.

 

Kas13 your file intrigues me...

 

So, he just decided to not use his "weapon?" Before this year, Bush wasn't even a starter. Also, your use of "his weapon" makes it sound like Reggie is the sole weapon. They also had White, Byrd, Jarrett, and Smith. Hell, even their fullback had a huge catch.

Carroll had a bad game after 34 straight wins? He picked this one game to have a bad game?

 

Can't wait till I see Bush in our Texan uniform.

 

So who do you guys think is better Young or Bush...?

 

That can't be me. I have 6 horns instead of the 5 your picture shows.

 

Texans to take a closer look at Young

By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

AUSTIN — Although it is just another step in the evaluation process leading to the April 29-30 NFL draft, pro day at the University of Texas is quarterback Vince Young's coming-out party.

The Texans have the first pick in the draft, and they'll be well-represented today when the Longhorns' draft-eligible prospects work out for general managers, coaches, scouts, media and a few owners.

The Texans are expected to take Southern California running back Reggie Bush, but they continue to insist they haven't made that decision because the scouting process is ongoing. That's why so many important members of the organization, including owner Bob McNair, will watch Young work out today. McNair also will attend USC's pro day April 2.

"I'm excited to watch Vince throw because he's a really talented young man, but the Longhorns have a lot of other good prospects, too," McNair said. "I'm looking forward to watching all of them."

McNair and his righthand man, son Cal, will lead the Houston contingent of scouts and coaches, including general manager Charley Casserly, coach Gary Kubiak, offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Troy Calhoun and assistant head coach/offense Mike Sherman.

"Since Vince didn't participate in the drills at the combine, this is our first chance to see him since the Rose Bowl," McNair said. "I can listen to the coaches and scouts tell me about Vince. I can watch him on film, too, but I still like to watch him work out. "We plan to bring Vince and Reggie to Houston, too, so we can meet with them."

Young led the Longhorns to the national championship by defeating USC in the Rose Bowl. The Longhorns are loaded with terrific prospects such as cornerback Michael Huff, defensive tackle Rodrique Wright, offensive tackle Jonathan Scott, cornerback Cedric Griffin and tight end David Thomas. But Young is the player everyone wants to see."I expect to see a heck of a workout," Kubiak said. "Vince is a great kid. I got to spend some time with him at the combine, and he's just a wonderful guy to be around."

When Kubiak played quarterback at Texas A&M, his quarterbacks coach was Greg Davis, who is the Longhorns' offensive coordinator. They remain close.

Asked what Davis told him about Young, Kubiak smiled and said, "A lot of great things, naturally."

Although he didn't work out at the combine, Young was caught in a controversy. Word leaked — erroneously as it turned out — that he scored a six on his Wonderlic test.

"Hey, it's how the kid plays the game," Kubiak said. "Greg Davis said Vince was a great kid who's very coachable. Greg feels like Vince is just getting started as far as reaching his full potential as a quarterback."

Because Young played in the shotgun in college, scouts want to see him take snaps and drop back. He's been working with former NFL offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Jerry Rhome to prepare.

Casserly has been in charge of the draft since the Texans' inception. He worked closely with former coach Dom Capers, and he'll work closely with Kubiak.

Casserly's first pick was quarterback David Carr, who has been spending a lot of time with Kubiak and Calhoun.

"They haven't said anything about the draft to me," Carr said.

The safest thing for the Texans to do will be to select Bush, who should make an immediate impact on a team that was 2-14 last season. Young's impact should take longer because of the demands of the position..

Carr was asked how much better the Texans would be this season if they select Bush.

"I don't think that there's any reason he wouldn't help our team," Carr said. "With a guy like that, you can do so many things. If he's who we take, as far as the matchups and the things he can do in this offense, he can definitely help us."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3739988.html

 

I'm anxious to hear the reports from UT's proday today. Although I think I heard Lance on 610 this morning saying that media members that are present for the workouts are not allowed to report on how it went, otherwise they will lose their credentials for future events. If that is the case, I don't understand the point in even allowing media there in the first place.

 

I think you can rest assured that the haters will hate, and the jock-sniffers will sniff more jock.

World keeps on spinnin'..

 

Interesting...so does this mean that Dan Reeves is out of the picture now as a consultant?

 

He's a silent consultant.

 

I think the UT Athletic Department has changed fabric softeners. This new one is so fresh and Springy.

 

Looking at our talent situation, the 97 and 98 Broncos, and turning off my VY man love . . . .

(I still want to draft VY. Reasonable minds can differ on the future success of Bush and Young, and all things being equal, I'd just rather be able to watch Young develop.)

If we stay at No. 1, and know that we're not taking VY, we need to draft Bush. Not Furguson, Not Williams. We need to establish an outstanding running game as the foundation of our team.

Premise and Assumptions
1. New Coaching staff knows what it's doing (if not, all bets are off).
2. We are TWO drafts away from accumulating enough talent to be relevant in the playoff picture.
3. Kubiak's plan is heavily impacted by the success of the 97 and 98 Broncos.

Analysis of the 97 and 98 Broncos
1. 97 and 98 Broncos were driven by flawless execution of the zone blocking scheme and Terrell Davis' relentless running.
2. They also featured: a mature John Elway that managed the game flawlessly and made plays when needed; an impossible matchup with Shannon Sharpe at TE; a legit No 1 WR with Rod Smith; a tough No. 2 in Ed McCaffrey
3. The defense was tough with Trevor Pryce, Romanowski, and a pair of rugged safeties. But the star power was in the offense, at least IMO.

Where are the Texans lacking from a pure talent perspective, and what should our plan be?

1. Our running game (setting aside special teams) was the best part of a lousy team.
2. O-Line: This is where we can most arguably be "coached up", and hopefully don't need a MASSIVE talent injection. Over the course of TWO YEARS, the OLine can be coached to play better and we can improve the talent level in a gradual, steady way. We don't need a big bang in the draft. Thus, I wouldn't spend the pick on Dbrick

2. Running game: Goal No 1 is to gake our running game to the next level, as fast as possible. DD is not durable or explosive enough to do that. If, if, our Oline can be improved as noted above, we still need more at running back. Personally, I think a Lendale White with a 10-15 pick is a better value than Bush, but Bush would a valuable weapon. If Bush and Davis split carries for 30-35 carries/game, there's a strong likelihood that we would have a top 5 to 10 running attack, just with a coached up line. With addiitonal talent on the line, we need to be a top 5 running attack. That's why we will take Bush No. 1.

3. Even with Bush, we're way short on offensive playmakers. We have our TD (arguably), we have our Rod Smith. We're nowhere close to having a Sharpe or McCaffrey. Putzier is a gradual upgrade, but not the answer. We need an every down TE. I'd like to get a solid, but unspectacular No. 2 WR. I'd like to see us take BPA at TE, OLine or WR with the 2nd rnd and 3rd rnd picks. The talent shortfall really highlights the need for us to hit on each of our first 4 picks.

4. As for Mario Williams at No 1, I think he could make a big immediate impact, but we have "potential" in Peek, Babin and Weaver (and maybe TJ and Robaire) for a pass rush in a 4-3. We don't have such "potential" for a dominant running game with our current roster. Nor do we have such potential at TE, WR2, CB or MLB, at least not IMO. This year, we could address MLB and CB with one of our 3rd round picks and in day 2. NEXT YEAR, we will know whether Peek, Babin and TJ can play in a 4-3. We can then address the Defense accordingly. As good as a prospect Williams is, it doesn't make sense to take him now.

5. As for Vince Young, I really wish we could take him and would be happy if we did. But we need to look at Carr this way. He was "on track" after year 3. He is far from blameless for year 4, but he is pretty much the same guy that we had at the end of year 3. He's another guy that I think can be "coached up". He's not a dynamic leader or playmaker, but I think he could be developed into a competent QB that can manage a game and make the occasional play.

There are a huge number of variables that will dictate our success in the future:

Can we coach up Carr and the O Line?
Will Bush live up to the hype?
Can Peek,Babin, TJ, Weaver play in a 4-3 and generate a pass rush?
Can we draft an every down TE?
Can we draft a CB opposite Dunta?

We have 2 drafts to answer these questions. This draft is best spent on addressing areas where we clearly have little or no "potential"/talent. It just so happens that Reggie Bush potentially fills one of the most important areas.

(ignore this entire post if Reggie bush does not run in the mid/low 4.3's.)

 

Agreed...I would love to have VY, but it just isn't going to happen...

 

Riley --

by the end of year 3, there were LOTS of people questioning Carr. he had a great 1st half of that season and hasn't approached playing that well since then with any consistency. by the end of year 3 we were losing to the Browns and Carr was being booed at home games.

 

First Carr is no where near Elway (I think VY is closer to Elway than Carr is right now- and neither are close)- that takes care of the 97-98 Broncos

Carr can be coached up, but has yet to show the leadership to make clutch or impact plays from his position- he is a big unknown.

Bush and Davis are redundent. Bush may live up to the hype- if he does Davis won't see the field. If Davis gets more than 2-4 carries a game we made a mistake with the #1 overall pick. If Davis is going to continue to be a factor at running back then Bush isn't what he should be and they MUST trade the pick.

Peek has the tools to be an impact rusher but he has disappointed so far. Maybe it is coaching and he will break out this season. We need a double digit sack guy.

Forget Babin and Weaver thinking they will be better than Mario Williams is a mistake.

Desperately need a CB opposite Duanta- agree totally

We need a very good run stopper- hopefully at MLB

Carr can succeed with a very good defense. He is servicable.

AJ must be utilized- he has greatness

We need much better guard play and a right tackle. We are short at least 2 quality linemen right now. Wade and friends are pretty weak. Pitts is the best and could become a very good player.

Just because we are entering our 5th season we must all realize we must rebuild the roster (Casserly has ruined it)

I thought the Texans would win 4-5 games last season. I was surprised they won 7 the year before- I felt it was a fluke with their personnel- but the secondary played exeptionally well and won several games for them.

Depending on their draft I have them winning 4-7 games this season. A great draft will get them some wins. A poor draft will leave them about the same. They should have won 4 games last season.

We must rebuild this roster. It takes time to build a Super Bowl caliber team.
We have not been on track since draft #1.

Time to get this ship righted.

 

I never said Carr is near elway. And that doesn't take care of those Broncos. If you watched that team carefully, Terrell Davis was the cog that moved that machine.

I agree that Carr hasn't shown leadership. I think there have been some flashes of playmaking. My biggest question is Carr's heart, desir and leadership. It stinks to say, but we don't need a nice guy, family man. We need someone who lives and breathes football, who feels JVG level depression when we lose, and is dying to be the best. Carr isn't that guy. You don't have to have the perfect QB to win, but you need a certain amount of these qualities to do so. I'm not sure if Carr does. But we'll find out one way or the other.

Bush and Davis are not redundent because Davis can't carry the load without getting hurt. If you split 30-35 carries between the two, each should produce with tremendous efficiency. Now, you can argue that such an arrangement would be a poor allocation of money, but don't say that they're redundant. Bottom Line - DD has performed about as much as he will be able to. Remember, we had a middle of the pack rushing attack. DD can do a little better, but much of his upside is capped by durability. Even if Bush lives up to the hype, he's going to carry the entire load. he'll carry the ball 12-15 times, and touch it another 5 more.

Nobody is thinking that Babin and Weaver will be better than Williams. You're totally missing the point. I'm talking about allocation of draft picks to improve our total talent level and production. The idea is that Babin, Peek and Weaver have the potential to generate a pass rush. Maybe you disagree. I don't know. But we don't know where that will go yet in a 4-3. My premise is that the Bush's incremental boost to our rushing attack is greater than Williams' to our front 4 because we have potential on our front 4.

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I haven't followed everyone's position closely. I'm curious then, what would you do? Draft VY, dump Carr for a 2nd round pick, pick Mario Williams No 1 (assuming we can't trade down and still get him), Use 2 2nd rounders and 2 3rd rounders to draft BPA at TE, OLine, CB, WR and MLB, hope VY can play in yr 2 and we compete in yr 3?

(all of which, I'd love).

 

No idea why people think a talentless and horrible offensive line can be coached to greatness, or even mediocrity. They flat out get beaten most plays, because they suck individually and as a unit.