[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

I believe everyone on the board was saying that. The main reason UT supporters and people who bet on the game in Texas' favor was because of the weak USC defense. I remember tons of posts.... "I think UT has a good chance of winning this game because of the "weak" USC defense." That was the common tone around here before the Rose bowl.

I personally didn't think the USC defense was all that weak because they played well against UCLA, but the majority of the posters on this board were in the consensus that USC had an awful defense.

 

So, VY's game proved they were "horrible" instead of proving that VY is amazing?

Hell, one loss by USC turned their defense to horrible and their coach into an idiot. Amazing!

 

this is what i'm saying.

 

hmm. Another sarcastic cheap shot by RM95 thrown into the middle of an otherwise civil debate.

Do you not agree that the consensus of the people on this board saying that UT would win the rose bowl was because the USC defense sucked? If you don't believe that i'll go dig up all the posts, I really would rather not do that. But I back up my claims so I will.

 

The Heisman award is littered poor correspondence to the best college players and guys who did nothing in the pros. Just look at Jason White, Ron Dayne, Charles Wooson, Danny Wuerffel, Gino Torreta, Des Howard, etc. The landslide voting also means little, the voting used to be regional, OJ winning by such a margin was much different then. The award now is so fickle and influenced by narrow media, VY, ML and RBush changed wildly in the order over the course of a couple games.

Also Young won the Maxwell Award as the best college football player. This award has a little better track record than the Heisman, but also has some bad examples.

I think it is pretty hard to determine who was SC's best player--ML or R Bush with Jarrett and White being awefully impressive as well.

I don't think it is hard at all to determine who was the best college football player last year--they guy who beat a team where 90% of their players will be drafted, and many of them in the 1st day of their draft if not the 1st round. That said, being the best college player (VY) doesn't always mean who will be the best pro player.

 

but i didn't ask what THEY said. i asked what YOU said. you're saying they sucked. did you say that before the Rose Bowl, or did VY's performance change your mind.

and RM95 is right...we went from hearing how incredible USC was and how out-coached they'd be...to hearing their defense sucked and how their coach was an idiot who didn't know how to properly utilize the talent on the team.

 

We all know where I stood before the Rose Bowl (in terms of who I thought was going to win the game). However, it was the consensus that uT's key to winning would be if VY could go off against USC's defense. I don't know if horrible is fair, but mediocre certainly is.

It doesn't matter how bad they were because it was still they National Championship and young turned in an amazing performance. UT's defense was far superior to that of USC's. Vy running all over them is perfect evidence of just how mediocre they were (VY is a gifted runner but I can't believe a coiach as good as Carroll didn't stop and try to shadow Vince). That being said, Vince just ran all over them all day long. Even teams that focused in on stopping Vick in college had success (much like uT had some success focusing on Bush). USC didn't have the personel to handle Vy and he exploited that.

I still think reliving heisman voting, the national championship game and things of that nature are essentially pointless now. The Heisman voting was done before the rose Bowl and the gap was signifigant enough to not merit much of a debate. VY played an amazing national championship game and is already a millionaire because of it. Let's not take away what either guy accomplished. Their college careers are over. Let's keep this debate about how we think they will fare in the NFL and why. It's been able to remain civil for them most part until people start acting petty.

 

That's a cheap shot? I'm calling it how it is. As opposed to you who admittedly would post things just to rile people up? That's called trolling.

We're not talking about UT fans. We're talking about how you felt about the team.

 

ok. I said that USC's defense wasn't that bad before the Rose Bowl. YOU said that they were bad.

Come one. Pete Carrol made some horrible decisions, going for it on 4th down, not using his timeouts wisely & not using his weapon (Bush) the same way he did all year long. The guy is a good coach, but he had a bad game. Everyone should agree on that.

 

Trolling is you coming into this thread, seeing Kas and Desert Scar having an open debate and staying out of it, and then once you see me make a post, you jump all over it. That, my friend, is trolling.

 

I didn't think their defense was THAT bad before the rose bowl. Now i'm calling their defense mediocre after what I saw during the rose bowl. Mediocre is the word I used.

 

Except when you said this last night at 10:06:

That's why I jumped into this thread. Don't give yourself too much credit.

Oh, and you should learn the definition of trolling. Basically, it's posting something for the sole reason to rile people up. Which you have admitted to me that you have done many times in this thread.

 

When I said "horrible" I was saying that in reference to what the consensus of the UT fans said of USC's defense before the rose bowl. I guess I should have put it into quotes.

Also, you're a punk for bringing up something I told you OUTSIDE of this board and throwing it into my face on the board in front of everyone. I admitted to you that I made the prediction of young having 3 fumbles and 2 picks just to rile people up. I confided in you by telling you that OFFLINE. That was a silly off the wall prediction and I didn't plan on anyone taking that prediction serious.

 

If you're going to make personal insults to me, I'm going to let everyone know the real reggietodd. Not that most can't see it anyway.

 

LOL, please I can't wait till "Who's Buying All That Milk: The REAL reggietodd Unauthorized Biography" is out in paperback.

 

Oh you poor baby

 

I'm not getting in the middle of their business but you certainly have no room to talk.

 

There seems to be more personal attacks in this thread than reasonable debate.

 

After 2,738 posts, the whole "Vince has a funny throwing motion and had a bad game against A&M" vs. "Reggie's too small and might not be durable enough" debate doesn't have a lot of fresh angles.

 

Agreeing with what SamFisher said (something i didn't think would happen often) there is a general dislike between 5 or 6 posters on this board.


I personally have a problem with someone jumping into a debate between Desert Scar and myself or any other debate that's being handled properly and being insulting or starting stuff.

Honestly, the only person I have a problem with on this board is KingCheetah.