[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Trade down-

Top six picks-

M. Williams
D. Fergusen
V. Young
M. Leinhart
AJ Hawk
R. Bush

I would try to trade down no lower than six spots and come away with one of these impact type players and another first day pick- 2nd or 3rd round.

With NO signing Breese I think the value of the #1 has dropped.

I would love to trade with the Jets and get either Brick or Williams and a 3rd rd. pick.

I still like V. Young as the best future QB, but with Cutler and Leinhart both out there it would be hard to pass a good trade and get an impact pass rusher like Williams or book end tackle like Brick.

I would even consider risking moving further down if it meant multiple early round picks.

At this point the most risky picks are R. Bush and the QB's. More and more I have red flags on Bush... great prospect, speed elusiveness, but his lack of power- short yardage experience and the ability to break tackles has me really concerned. More and more scouting reports are listing him as a multi purpose player not a running back. That scares me bad for the #1 overall selection.

I would rather have Julius Peppers in hindsight over D. Carr-

Two yrs from now I don't want to regret that we picked Bush over Mario Williams.

Trade the pick. It is obvious we are not going to rebuild at the QB position.

Mr. Casserly and Mr. Kubiak- please make this the best draft in the short history of the franchise.

 

I disagree about Warrick but that's cool. He really didn't run good routes once he entered the NFL (that's why receivers usually take a while or bust) because he didn't get off the line of scrimmage well and he couldn't make people miss. I have no doubt that Cincy thought he could do those things but watching Warrick for a while I remebering thinking Coles would be a better NFL receiver. That ended up being the case (although Laverneus isn't a star he's solid). If Warrick did indeed run in the high 4.4's (since he wasn't a big receiver then he wasn't fast or quick and Cincy didn't do their homework. I know a lot can be said for on the field performance but Warrick never really impressed me.

If the Cowboys were going to take Rocket #1 why would he have went to canada. NFL money has to worth at least twice that. Regardless, Rocket certainly was a late first or early second guy IMO and no better. I'm a huge Michigan fan and I knew Howard would be no better then a #2. Consequently I thought David Terrell would be a star (I still think he would have been if he didn't have a screwed up attitude) and I think Braylon will be 9if his knee recovers).


I think Bush with run low 4.4's or high 4.3's. I'm fine if he does that. If he runs a 4.49 then I would be a tad concerned. I know that's not happening though. My guess is almost a 4.4 flat or 4.41. That's damn near faster then any back in the league. With his field vision and ability to cut on a dime the only question I can possibly see anyone having is can he handle a workload. I think he can but i think it's his only concern (unless he runs slow).

 

I have no problem trading down if we get a great deal and can still get Brick or Williams. Forget about Bush, he'll be gone if we move out of the #1 slot. I don't want Leinart or Young either unless they slip to mid first round and can be had for relatively cheap. As of this point we have a QB. I don't understand why we don't look to move DD to a team like Indy along with one of our thirds for their first. They may make thatm ove considering he fits perfectly into their offense and we've already paid his signing bonus.

 

i don't understand why you'd have more confidence in david carr that in domanick davis, to this point. i'm not so sure "we have a QB."

 

It's because DD has been hurt every season. I also hate watching us create a gaping hole and watch him get caught after 8-15 yds when it should have been a 40 yd run. Our O-Line isn't bad at run blocking it's pass blocking they suck at.

Let's give Carr a chance before we trade him away and watch him star on another team. Someone else made a great point, if Kubiak can make plummer a pro bowler he can do the same with Carr

 

This thread should be renamed "The KAS13 Thread." For like the last week, every time I look at this thread, KAS13 has had the last post in the thread.

 

Just responding to others posts. I'm talking to like 4 or 5 different posters most times so naturally I have a lot of posts up. If you mix all the posts together it gets confusing and you don't get your point across.

 

And you would be totally, completely, wrong. I live in Pac-10 country where USC is on about every game and I have seen about half the SC games in their entirity the last 2 years--not just the highlights.

Go back an search my UT-SC pre Rose Bowl game points if you don't think I was spot on with SC's strengths and weaknesses, and how Bush was likely to be used.

I didn't remember it, but that cite I listed certainly said the Rocket was who Jerry Jones moved up to get at overall #1. They signed him years later so it makes some sense. He was offered 18mil from a Canadian team. Considering Troy Aikman got the biggest ever $11.2 million rookie contract as the overall #1 as a QB from Dallas just two years before, followed the next next with Jeff George (overall #1 QB) at $15 mil, I am pretty sure at the time Ismail's was the largest rookie contract ever in football--just happened to be in Canada. Some Canadian rich guy wanted a big splash and he got the college ranks most dynamic player in Ismail. Ismail was a better prospect than Howard or Warrick, no doubt he was a top 5 prospect, probably the best of the 1991 (weak) draft and I believe probably was Jerry Jones initial target by moving up to #1.

 

Both Ronnie Brown and Cad Williams in much thicker and stronger overall packages were low 4.4s at the combine (controlled as it gets). I want to see Bush go 4.3.

4.4 leaves 95% of college players in the dust, but not pro players. 4.3 or below gives any pro team trouble. Since Bush's game is so much predicated on speed and quickness, I want to see Barry Sander's phenom like figures.

With Faulk and Sanders you had sub 4.4 times to go along with their workhorse college careers with lesser olines. Even so, there were questions about their size and durability. Since Bush wasn't in a workhorse role in college, at least he should deliver the phenom workouts in terms of athleticism (sub 4.4 and any thing else like great vertical, 10 yard dash, skills, strength, etc). He is a huge gamble for an overall #1 pick and likely 50 mil contract, but phenom workouts would make the upside a lot more comfortable to me.

 

Then how can you with a straight face call Bush a one cut runner? I don't care if you don't like the guy or have questions- that's fine, but the dude is so far from a one cut runner it is ridiculus.

 

I don't think Faulk ran a sub 4.4. I could be wrong though

Bush is also a way better prospect then Brown or Williams.

 

When I say I cut I mean he excell about beating a guy in the open field with a change of direction. He might do multiple cuts on a single play to beat multiple individuals, but it is about beating individual defenders versus seeing the whole field and instinctively knowing where to get the most yards out of play.

What I don't see if the kind of vision and befuddling a whole defense the way Sanders or Sayers (and OJ) would set up a defense one way and beat them all another way. I am not saying Bush is just like Ismail or Warrick or Howard, he is bigger and tougher than those guys, but I think he is closer to the Rocket in his game than he is to Barry Sanders. (Sanders was a lot more difficult to bounce off tackles with his great balance and squatty body even if you did manange to hit him, LT has his quality as well)

Of course he doesn't play RB, but the only guy in the NFL this caliber for setting up whole defenses one way and seeing where to blow by them Vick-- who by the way runs near a 4.3 and has a 500lb squat. I would like to seem similar phenom workouts from Bush if we are to think he can make NFLers look slow. And remember, Vick made a very fast college defense (FSU) look hapless. Bush was effective, but largely contained versus Texas (and largely so versus other speedier defenses like OU, Cal and VT over the past 2 years). He certainly didn't gut those defenses the way Vick did to FSU, or VY did to all his quality opponents his last 18 months or so.

 

Consider this about Bush, with three top flight QB prospects he is the #1 player in the draft (experts opinion). How many other times would you have this type of depth and talent at QB and still have a RB slotted #1. I'd be interested to see.

 

You mean quality opponents like A@M (who are absolutely terrible).

 

Let's wait for the pro day. Brown was running 4.4s at 230 and looked superb in all drills (blocking, catching, running). Cad wasn't far behind athletically, but probably has better instincts as a pure runner (reading blocks and manovering in the tight space). I still can't believe the Bears passed on Cad for Ced Benson, Ced was your classic "look great against your weak to average competition but look nothing special against elite competition" player. I for sure think Reggie Bush is better than Ced Benson.

 

I'm fine with waiting for pro day. That being said, we have seen tons of workout warriors full teams with incredible performances only to fall short in the NFL.

I'm with you on Benson (only because i don't think he tries very hard and definitely has character issues). I wasn't suprised to see him holdout.

 

By quality opponents I mean teams with a winning record. VY competed almost 70% of his passes versus teams with a winning record last year. Indicently Vick completed 55% of his college passes and threw less passes in his college career than VY threw in 2005--that is why I don't like the Vick (runner-passer) comparison to VY (passer-runner) as much as VY to fellow passer-runners like SMcNair, DMcNabb, DCulpper. Heck VY is every bit as much Steve Young (4.5 speed, passer-runner in the pros) as he is to Mike Vick.

Funny thing is Bush hasn't even worked out in unbiases conditions. I am guessing the experts have about as much information as they used in Heisman voting--which clearly ended up not too accurate about who was the best college player.

Bush is electrofying in lots of ways, but I am no where near sold he is the best prospect to come around in years, or even necc. in this draft. I don't care what the % of "experts" trying to peddle their products or generating ratings for their media programs change my opinion over lots of personal observations of him through whole games (include the routine play, not just the highlight plays).

Now a truly spectacular pro day to match Bush's hype coupled with a non-impressive by Vince Young, I then go on record as Bush is the best prospect in this draft. But right now I defer to my observations of their cumulative body of work on the field game in and game out, with particular weight to their performance and overall impact against the best opponents they faced.

 

I really like Dis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3tC62vxe4M


Can't wait till the season starts.

 

In the past two seasons I have seen Vince play poorly at least 4 times. It may be more or that might be right on the money but it doesn't matter to me whom he plays poorly against. A bad game is a bad game (unless it's the national championship). I don't see any Steve young in VY personally.

Everyone has Bush touted as the #1 prospect though. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I don't know if there's ever been a time when a draft had 3 top flight QB's and a RB was on top of every single draft board. If this has ever happened before i'd be interested to know when.

We'll wait for por day. Honestly though, our opinions are just those of message board fans. I don't personally believe that many analysts can be wrong (they aren't just touting him as #1 but as a superstar). We'll see soon enough

 

You can't watch that video and say he doesn't have field vision or is a one cut guy.