[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

I never said we were going to draft VY, I'm just voicing my opinion that we should draft VY over RB.

 

Thanks for telling me what i kept up with. Since you obviously were at my home watching college football with us every Saturday right? That may be your perception but it's completely inaccurate. Secondly, if you don't think the Bush hype started until after the Frenso game then you must have been living on another planet. If your argument was that was the game that won him the Heisman I'll accept that. Other then that, the hype has been surrounding him for two seasons now. He was hot to start the season and on the Heisman watch list 9I guess that's not hype to you though).

Throw out all the numbers you want. We can do the same with Young as well (especially if you want ot talk about the year they beat Michigan, you don't want to see his stats from the OU game again) but it doesn't diminish what either of them accomplished. Take into consideration Bush's all purpose yds (just like you should with VY). Someone may look at a game and say, "He sucked, he only passed for 100 yds and got picked once." However, if he had 200 yds rushing and 3 tds he had a damn good game didn't he.

My point was that I like to see what I think is going to be our first pick working with the best running back in the NFL. The same RB who people said was too small. Since LT is also the best receiving RB and Bush has a lot of potential in that area I'm sure it's going to help him immensely. That was my point. The same as I've said it's good VY is working with McNair and Tennessee would be best for him.


Kubiak likes Carr and obviously feels he is going to be a good NFL QB with the right people around him. Every single analyst and draft person has Bush #1. We don't know more then they do. If it was 50/50, 75/25, or even 90/10 in mocks with Young going #1 I'd listen to that possibility. However, I don't thinkanyone's seen a mock where Bush doesn't go #1 to us. We still may trade down but with NO's situation our top pick probably lost just enough value to have us keep it for sure..

I think Young will end up being a good QB. However, i feel the same way about Carr. One could argue DD is good but he's hurt every year. Carr has star qualities he just needs to put it together and be given a chance. I agree that very few RB's are leaders. Emmitt was, LT is, ect... but Vince is definitely a leader and a winner. However, i just don't think we need him. That's my point, not saying Young isn't going to be good or he isn't a winner but rather Bush is a better fit

 

Yeah, it's a forgone conclusion for the most part. Trading the pick is easier said then done. You need to get #1 value for it and we don't know what the offers are. With No looking ot trade now it's only going to decrease the value of #1 because of team needs.

 

You said we would be stupid to pass on Young but then bring up the fact that the best idea is to trade down. Which is it? QB isn't an area of concern either (less then RB IMO). Bush is being touted as a once in a decade guy by scouts so that has to be taken into consideration.

 

See, I think Vince is a once in ever 50 years player, and Reggie is just a good player.

I always say take the best talent regardless of position, if you have a chance.

Vince is more of a freak at QB than Reggie is at RB.

DD

 

ah, if Vince is a once in ever 50 yrs of player then why would he be projected to go down to #7 to Oakland now? and how come teams are even droooling about getting him

VY is a poor's man Randell Cunningham

 

You're right. Draft experts never ever ever make mistakes.

Co-Signed,
Ryan Leaf, 2nd pick in the draft
and
Tom Brady, 6th round pick

 

Thius is where we disagree. I see Vince's ceiling as being a faster version of Dante Culpepper. I see the sky as the limit for Bush.

I have never agreed with that statement. If you are the Chargers you aren't picking Bush when you already have LT (or the Seahawks ect...).

Vince isn't projected as even the best player at his position in this draft. He may go third amongst the QB's (even though i don't agree with that).

Vince is more of a freak at his position because of his mobility but that's not a reason to go #1. Vick is the biggest freak at his position ever and he isn't the best player in the NFL or at his own position.

 

Yeah, that wouldn't be very good.

 

I never said he wouldn't be a good player.

 

I'm sorry, but it's hard to take you VY haters seriously when you can't even spell player names correctly. IMO, it just invalidates everything you say and shows a complete lack of sports knowledge (or basic freaking Google abilities). I mean, my God, do you honestly expect me to trust your assessment of VY as compared to Randall Cunningham when you can't even spell his name right? (I guess I could understand "Jimy Williams" or "Dwyane Wade," but "Randall"??)

 

I know you didn't. I was just making a somewhat-sarcastic post about how freaking great that would be if he turned out that good. And I think he will, too.

 

yeah, so do I. I think Bush will turn out to be like Marshall Faulk. Either way, you get a great player.

 

Yea it would be stupid to pass on VY simply because of the potential. But if you want a sure thing you trade down, get several picks, mostly linemen who most of the time produce as advertised. The way I see it Bush is just as likely not to pan out as VY. I'd also much rather pay 1st overall pick $$ to a QB than a RB.

 

Absolutely.

 

OL's bust all the time too. Look at Robert Gallery from last season. He was supposed to be a can't miss guy (career pro bowler) and was pretty much mediocre the whole season. Any of these guys could be busts. Jay Cutler may end up being the best QB of the group and DeAngelo Williams the best RB. You simply don't know.

What it seems to boil down to is how much faith you have in Carr.

 

Not really, what it comes down to is if we have more picks and management does their reserach the Texans have a better chance of catching a superstar. Brady is a good example of that.

 

I thought your point was it was stupid to pass on Young. Sorry dude, I'm trying to follow you but it's tough. If you're in favor of trading the pick and the right offer is on the table I'd d oit too. I've said all along i wouldn''t mind having mario Williams. The reason I have no interest in Young is because I'm still satified with Carr.

 

Well, you can't write off Robert Gallery yet. He has only been in the league for a couple of years. He may develop into that special player still. It is not as if his physical talent all of a sudden disappeared.

To be honest, I think Carr can pull through under Kubiak. However, Carr does not have the ceiling that VY has IMO.

 

Let me make it real simple. VY has great upside IMO and it would be stupid to pass him up, and I think the Texans should accept the risks involved with him. But if you want to play it safe not take as much risk: trade the pick for multiple picks or picks + player, etc. A lot of ppl say Bush is less risky, but i disagree. Carr is adequate, he'll be a solid QB but he won't be a superstar. Hasselback is a solid QB, but he isn't a superstar like McNabb, Vick, or Manning.