[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Actually, so is intelligence. Please show me where I said VY will be a bust (post Rose Bowl) and I'll gladly apologize to everyone here. I said "boom or bust". Go back to page 129, reread my post and then come back in here and eat your crow dude. You simply misread and now made a fool out of yourself.

 

Hate to break up the love/hate Vince wars here, but lets take a break and see how the Brees signing and Culpepper trade affects the draft, esp when it comes to Vince.....

Any ideas?

Looks like the Jets will get a QB no matter what, if they want one. Chow can easily be reunited with Leinhart if the Saints decide to stick with their #2 pick...although I see a Jets / Saints swap likely.

 

I think Leinart goes to Tennessee at #3. He's the top rated QB and he reunites with his old offensive coordinater. The only team now that would have to trade up to get a QB is NY if Leinart is their only choice. I think they'll stand pat because they were said to be in love with Cutler. No will take Mario Williams and Oakland will take Young.

 

John McClain seems to think the Titans don't want Leinart...and that they're enamored with VY.

 

That may be the case. I have always said that i thought the best place for Young was Tennessee because of McNair. Steve is his mentor and the Titans got the most out of McNair as a QB. I am going on pure speculation (my own opinion). I figured Chow would be drooling at the chance to work with Leinart again and he knows everything about him (strengths and weaknesses) and can build an offense around him. With Vince he's more of an unknown commodity. I heard the Jets are in love with Cutler and Leinart. I just think it would be really hard to pass on Leinart for the Titans. It's kind of like the Manning/Leaf thing. I'm not saying Young will be Leaf I'm saying it's the surest thing vs. the most upside (but with question marks)

 

actually, the only thing i misread/overlooked was that you switched to one of your other personalities/usernames when responding to my "eat crow" comment. if you are not really IC2000 then i appologize for that. and if not, then you are definately the one who started the "fight" and got hostile. look, the simple fact is that not one of us knows how VY will turn out. you just don't like the guy and i do, let's leave it there.

 

OMG. Are you serious? You actually think I'm IC2000. That's hilarious. Email Clutch and ask him if it's even possible that we are the same person (I'm giving my permission to release my info to you here in writing). We don't even post the same or have the same writing style or opinion.. Someone started that as a joke with a picture after the Rose Bowl. Wow, I wasted all this time over that. Seriously man, you shouldn't go around accusing people of being other posters or making comments about them based on completely eroneous assumptions. That being said I'll accept the apology and end this nonsense at that.

 

Post your picture so that we can be sure.

 

Lets put it this way ;



NO OTHER TEAM WOULD DRAFT VY #1-2 OVERRATED!


Houston fans are just blinded by the "hometown guy" thing

 

Unless they did.

 

Do you think you know more about football than say, Bill Walsh or Don Shula? They certainly don't believe he's overrated.

 

Nah, I think I'll pass on posting my picture on a message board so it can get photoshopped like there's no tommorrow. I've already seen what happens on these boards. In all honesty you can ask Clutch. It's cool if he tells you it's impossible for us to be the same person. I already said long time ago that we know each other. We've both posted Rockets insider info/ect. He's still in college at A@M and like 5 years younger then me.

 

We'll know on draft day. Now that NO has a QB anyone who feels Young is worthy of the #1 pick will definitely move up to get him (especially with him being a QB). My personal feeling is the only way a team moves up to #2 is to take Leinart. I just can't see VY being the first QB taken. It's interesting that NO (with 3 good QB prospects) in the draft gave Brees 60 million (coming off shoulder surgery). We already know they are a terrible franchise but maybe these three QB prospects aren't as good as we all think.

 

McClain is enamored with VY.

My biggest nightmare is for the Titans to draft Young.

(1) I hate the Titans and dont want to have any excuse to root for them, ever. I hate Leinhart so Titans drafting Leinhart would be a dream come true for me.
(2) When the Titans come to Houston every year the UT alum would overpower the Texans fans...bringing back memories of Braves/Astros games and the irritating tomahawk chop.
(3) I want Young to play in New York so I can watch him every weekend.

 

i guess you should be insulted that someone might confuse you with another but that wasn't my intention. maybe sam's request for a photo isn't such a bad idea, that should clear it up. oh, and what's photoshop?

 

Why do so many people hate Leinart? Did he do something i missed or something? Anyways......


By the time Young is playing (if he's drafted by the Titans) our team will either be good enough to where we won't have to wrry about fans rooting against us or we'll have made a few more huge mistakes and deserve to get booed.

I don't think the UT alum in Houston is even close to the number of Texans fans. The Titans only come here once and that game will be sold out (all season ticket hoilders will be going) and Texan fans. My guess is he'd get his appreciation during an introduction and that would be it. Worst case scenario they make up 10% of the crowd.

 

I'm pretty sure Sam was joking unless IC2000 has already posted a picture of himself (which i know isn't the case because that would definitely have been photoshopped like a champ). How would a picture of me clear up anything? Why not just email Clutch and ask. He knows our identities and has my permission to give out mine ot prove anyone who would believe otherwise wrong. Photoshopping is when you take a picture and alter it. Like everyone did with "Brokeback Manning". They took the movie poster and put Peyton Manning and Kenny Chesney on there instead of the two actors in the movie. That pic you see here of VY on "Who wants to be a Millionaire" choosing elephant over moon when the questions is 'Which of these 4 is the biggest." That's photoshopping. Basically, if you give your pic out on the intenrnet, you can count on that happening.

 

Cause a picture is worth a thousand words - as for the rest - whaaa?

 

Don't second guess yourself ~ you nailed him.

 

I think the Bush to Sanders/Sayers comparison is about as relevant as VY to Elway/Montana. I agree Bush has a super quick burst and great single open field moves with changes of direction where he maintains speed, but Sanders/Sayers had whole field vision and incredible athleticism that made whole NFL defenses look stupid. Honestly IMO he looks to me more of a bigger Rocket Ismail (who also had a great burst and great 1st cut at speed) who can carry the ball about 10-15 times than a Barry Sanders.

I don't think 40 times are near the key for RBs. Payton Emmitt, and Martin were 4.6+. But they had incredible vision between the tackles a lot more lower body strength than Bush IMO. Because I do have these questions about Bush's pure runner feel in tight space, between the tackles running and ability to break tackles for an elite RB, I want to see something else that sets him apart. A legit combination of testing 4.3 40 and unmatched 10 yard burst would help.

Why I would not omit it at all is because it was the closest Bush came to facing a pro type defense. And he was effective, but he certainly did not make UT's defense look stupid, either running or receiving. In fact by the end it was clear Carroll thought LenDale as the primary tailback gave him the best chance to win (Bush didn't get a touch on the whole potential NC clinching drive). It makes me concerned that so much of Bush's game (receiving and running) is based on pure speed and quickness advantages--not vision or timing or reading blocks or innate running skill, and UT's defense is very speedy for college, but nothing like the speed of the NFL.

Actually Texas linebacker Drew Kelson (converted safety) hung with Bush very well on down field pass routes. The same routes were open all year, but not against a relatively speedy guy. The two big plays versus Texas were from a screen and dump in a prevention, not beating good defenders in pass routes. Again makes me think about the previous issue/concern (and in interviews Bush has said as much), that 95% of the time he was just faster and quicker than his opponents that he didn't need to rely on anything else (knowledge of the game, precision, work habits, reading blocks, running instincts in tight space, etc) to get an advantage. Marshall Faulk is known for all the above (tremendous work habits, precision, and football inteligence) that helped maximize his talents, if Bush is a Marshall Faulk minues those non-athleticism related strengths Faulk has he would be a rather ordinary player.

As for blocking a have little confidence in Bush's ability to save Carr's head, very little. I watched him a lot and don't know where a good blocking reputation game from. Further, not only is he only about 200lbs, he isn't particuarly compact or thick in the trunk either (why Emmitt was a great blocker despite playing at 210-215). The Texans are going to want to avoid Bush having to pick up a blitzing LB or SS head on as much as possible.

It is not a killer but it certainly is a knock and a concern, especially for someone considering an overall #1 pick and probably a 50mil contract. With the exception of Sanders, the best ever running backs would not be substituted for in a season defining situation, ever. But if Bush looks like Sanders in workouts (4.3 speed, unparalleled change of direction speed), again I could overlook this in an overall #1 pick.

I would care to error on the side of NO being conservative and/or stupid. I wouldn't have taken Brees over any of the top 3 QBs, SD obviously feels their #5 pick who has never played a down in the NFL is more promising.

But maybe NO can get a kings ransom for their #2 pick for ML/VY, and end up walking away with Brees, DBrick/M.Williams/Hawk (few slots down), future #1 pick, and then some to build around. So I guess we have to wait and see their full moves.

Why are such idiots still hanging around. IF VY goes top 4, which he probably will, there is no sure thing that team wouldn't have taken him #1 (say the Titans had it, or the Jets). Had the Texans not had a huge contract extension on an up and down player but nontheless solid youngish QB prospect (Carr) you guys would probably be getting ready for VY's arrival. Further, even if VY falls to #7 overall, that means some NFL teams loves the guy. Top quarter of the 1st round in the NFL draft is elite company. I think anyone passing him over will probably regret it, but going top 7 can't be seen as a real slight to anyone with half a brain.

My feeling is VY goes to Tenn, NY or Oak (trade with NO), and the team that gets him is going to feel it is their luckiest day that the few teams who could have blocked them didn't, and deservedly so. Besides the proof on who was right on this debate won't be on draft day, it will be upon reflection a few years into their NFL careers.