[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

YOU'VE BEEN FISHERATED!!!!


yeah, i don't know what that means

 

My love must be a kind of blind love
I can't see anyone but VY
And dear, I wonder if you find love
An optical illusion, too?

Are the stars out tonight?
I don't know if it's cloudy or bright
'Cause I only have eyes for you, dear
The moon may be high
But I can't see a thing in the sky
'Cause I only have eyes for VY.

I don't know if we're in a garden
Or on a crowded avenue
Vy is here, so am I
Maybe millions of people go by
But they all disappear from view
And I only have eyes for VY

 

Yep. The guy has won 34 in a row and he's the idoit. I think SC also finished in the top 5 the year before their first MNC.

The guy was a very good DC in the nfl and even he couldn't stop VY.

r95, they don't have inside info, but this baby is over. IT's gonna be Bush. WE all know that, imo. Whether it's the right decision, time will tell.

 

Anon, very on target post on a lot of things (Heisman swings, player concerns).

Not really accurate. If Bush does weigh in a 210, runs a sub 4.3 equivalent to electronic times, and excellent other strength and quickness skills, I would be more willing to overlook his questionmarks (primarily as to whether he will be a workhorse and be able to break tackles) and be worthy of a #1 pick. Likewise if VY runs over 4.5 and looks sloppy throwing, I say sure Texans stick with Carr. Based on what I saw on the field a lot of whole games (not just highlights) by both players the edge is to VY--but at least I have slight opening to change my mind.

It is not wrong. Look at how many more TDs LenDale has. Bush played a much greater proportion of longer yardage and passing plays, where as when SC was in "you know they are running" type sets LenDale was usually the guy.

As for not using Barry S in short yardage, 2 issues. 1) Detriot coaching staff sucked, 2) Barry S is one of the few elite runners, even others under 215lbs, who ever would have been sat in such circumstances. Payton, Smith, Dorsett, Faulk, Martin, M. Allen--every key down those guys would be in there, period. Even next tier smaller Rbs in the NFL today like Barber, Portis and Westbrook are not sat in such circumstances. It is part of being a complete, every down, back. LenDale is excellent, but if Bush was already on the level of a Faulk or Dorsett as a between the tackles runners (some proponents want to put him ahead of them coming out of college, ridiculous IMO) LenDale would have mostly had to wait until 2006-2007 to show his stuff.

I am not saying it is a killer issue, like I said if Bush puts in unheard of workouts I'd probably overlook the issue as far as hesitating on the #1 overall pick, but otherwise (e.g., Bush is outstanding but not unreal in workouts) I think real hard about building my team and commiting probably 50 million plus dollars to one Reggie Bush.

 

I thought the first test has to be invalid and you are supposed to retake it and only count what you make the 2nd time... instead of doing a regrade...

 

so I think you should take the test again and see if you still get an A

 

Eh, maybe Vince's test was administered incorrectly so it couldn't be regraded. That's what some reports have said.

In all honesty, I agree with you that it is confusing and some day I'd like to know the full story on what went down. But in the meantime, it's a choice between a few tabloid-style sources (PFT) and every legitimate organization (NFL offices, multiple general managers, multiple agents, etc.) in the business as to whether the score of 6 had validity. I don't know about y'all, but with the information out now, I'm taking the latter.

 

the cat.. I know, I'm just joking...

It's all confusing, and in the end doesn't matter much........ he'll be richer than all of us and have the last laugh

 

and I know the 6 isn't valid, I'm just curious what the actual score was.. we'll never know, but if he does make the hall of fame they can put that test sheet in with him

 

We should do another POLL with just


VINCE YOUNG or REGGIE BUSH


and see what's the outcome now after 2 months since the big game

 

Yeah....what we need is another VY vs. Bush thread.

How about a President Bush vs. Reggie Bush thread in the D+D?

 

His test score is old news. I doubt that we ever hear more than we already have.

Whoever drafts VY1-4972648920578236 will get a football player, not a phd.

yo

 

VY8675309?

 

Reggie Bush...

...then trade carr and something for VY.

 

Asking for a sub 4.3 (which is something that has never been reported is asking a lot. I'd be very satified with a 4.4 or anything in the 4.3's or so and him weighing 208-215. There's a huge difference between being fast and quick. His quickness and agility (cutting back at full speed ect) is something that can't be taught. 4.4 is breakaway speed. How many players in the history of the combine have run sub 4.3's. I personally think that's an unfair expectation. Vince isn't going ot run over 4.5. He's going ot run in the low 4's somewhere. Unless he lets himself go (which he won't) he'll be under 4.5.

TD's had nothing ot do with it. LeDale had more TD's because he was their goal line back. That's simple. LenDale did not make more plays then Bush and Bush was almost always a major factor in them getting to the goal line. Look, if Bush gives me 2000 yds in total offense and only 6 tds but gets us to the goal line and Wells or whoever punches it in and ends up with 10 tds, Bush has done his job.

The Detroit coaching staff did suck but that's not why Barry sat. He was a ****y runner, not a straight forward guy. Other then Faulk, all the guys you just named were basically power backs. Faulk would have sat a lot more IMO if they had a power back. Tiki does defer to a guy named Brandon Jacobs. In fact, before Jacobs started fumbling Tiki was only scoring on runs of 5 yds or more. Warrick Dunn defers to Duckett. If you have a better goal line option you use it. Just because LenDale is a better power back then Bush it doesn't mean Reggie isn't an exceptional player. You use your resources to the best of your ability.

Again you go back to the "unheard of workouts" for Bush. What about a great workout? Does Vince have to run a low 4.3 and throw the ball like Elway or Marino to earn his distinction as #1. Shouldn't he be held to the same standards? You lobby for Young and that's fine. If there were more question marks around Reggie I'd say ok but that simply isn't the case. It may be in your eyes and in that of many on the board but it's not the general consensus. Your love for VY has you expecting Bush to be super human for you to overlook VY at #1 (a place where he's not even being considered anymore) but you don't expect the same for your boy. That doesn't make sense. If we had traded down and not already picked up Weaver we were picking Mario Williams almost for sure. I have that on pretty good authority.

Really, it's all meaningless now because I'm pretty sure even the biggest VY supporters realize he's no longer an option for us.

 

YAWN. Even Vince's biggest advocates now badmouthed him earlier. Vince was a great college football player, we will see how he does in the pros. He was put into a position to suceed at texas. I think he will be a bust in the NFL as a QB but would be a great WR.

 

The point of the ignore list is to not read the posts of the people you ignore. But since I have your attention, can we turn the clock back a bit? Weeks ago I asked you to elaborate on your personal interactions with Young to which you have previously alluded and apparently have caused you to label him a dumb r****d idiot or whatever. Can we hear about what those were?

 

you are gonna have a lot of crow to eat. i'll prepare it for you if you like, i'm a pretty good cook.

 

Vince is 50/50. He's going to be boom or bust. VY supporters have just as good a chance of eating crown as anyone. I just hope with everyone so heavily involved in thi discussion people are around when the players start to develop.

 

dude, most of the people you're arguing with have been around a lot longer than you. we'll see where you are when VY is an unquestionable superstar.