[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Vick led the nation in passing efficiency in '99. Big whoop. Look at his passing now. Teams are probably concerned that VY6's passing in college was largely due to defenses having to respect his running abilities, which will be less of a factor in the NFL with the faster players.

I'm not sure VY6 was the best player in the country "all year", either. He dropped a turd in one of the biggest games of the year at A&M. The Aggies neutralized his running game and consequently he wasn't able to pass for many yards.

 

Yes Mortimer, and you took the predictive value of that game and parleyed it into MILLIONS on the MARKETS!


TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!

 

Sam, I have stated many times that I did not lose a penny on the Rose Bowl. Please check your facts next time. Thanks in advance

 

Except your credibility on Vince Young, college football, and your "predictions" - in that area, you are now INSOLVENT - happy reading!





Maybe you'll make it back one day.....

 

I did. But if those two teams played again, i'd make the same play.

 

Grow up. Posting pictures as your reply is childish.

 

To be clear, I don't have any idea what his first wonderlic score was and doubted from day 1 that it was really as low as a six...

I do think the best way to get rid of the rumor would be to somehow come out and specifically address was the "correctly graded" score for the first test would have been...

If indeed he made a lot higher than the 6, it would be in his best interest if that was made clear to get rid of stories being written about his scores

 

If it was higher than a 6, it definitely wasn't higher than a 16 so i'm pretty sure it doesn't even matter.

 

reggie.. true, I just thought it would help his image if people knew exactly how false the first reports were.. if it were a one point misgrade or what.. because as it is now, people will write in articles that he was unprepared the first time he took the test..

 

Let me simplify this for you:

Go back to 1st round QB's in recent memory. Vick, Daunte, McNabb, Carr, Harrington, Smith, etc. They were not considered "PROJECTS"

Vince Young had a season on par or better than them, yet he is. That is the point. All QB's need two or three years minimum to develop in the pros, and you are confusing that with being a project. A guy who led the nation in passer efficiency almost all year and destroyed USC for 467 total yards in the NC game deserves to be called a project at QB right now?

The guy went 30-2 as a starter, and engineered multiple 4th quarter comebacks while a Horn as well. He has no business being considered a "project" at QB right now. He is a damn good QB and that is the position he will play and succeed at(imho) in the NFL.

 

Excuse me for watching football and thinking Vince Young deserves to be in the discussion for the number 1 pick. And you miss the point yet again. I don't see articles on page 2 ripping Matt Leinart or Reggie Bush as lazy and arrogant without any provocation. I don't see people questioning Leinart as a pro QB. If you are going to shred one guy for his supposed "weaknesses" you shred them all.

But that isn't happening. And excuse me for believing Vince Young is one of the best prospects ever to come out as well. The guy is a freak. You can go on disbelieving all you want but I have seen the guy play since his freshman year and all he does is wins and make big plays. Yet he isn't being talked about like a once in a decade prospect when he should be. Excuse me for that upsetting me. I mean he only had arguably the greatest NC game ever and that doesn't count 4th/18 vs KU, the OSU pass, the rose bowl vs Michigan etc. He is every bit as special talent wise as Bush and he deserves to be thought of that way.

Instead people nitpick over his motion and other trivial things instead of looking at 3 years worth of jaw dropping film.

If this were an aggie we were talking about you would understand how I feel.

 

What if NOLA picks up Brees? How does that change potential draftees, ya think?? I'm guessing the Saints might trade down at that point, because they probably wouldn't still pick Leinart.

 

I don't know if any big FA will sign with the saints, it would take a HUGE premium for me to do so if I were in that situation - unless he's banking on them moving, which remains a possibility.

 

Yes there is, IMO and the opinions of the VY proponents is that he has a much higher upside than ML, JC or David Carr. Has anyone seen a QB with VY's combination of size, speed and throwing ability? Has anyone seen a player more individually impact a big college football game than VY did to SC?

My answer is NO and NO. Sure he may bust, but he are talking about a unique athlete who could dominate. I wouldn't miss my shot at him if I were the Texans or anyone else.

It is not like the Texans are in need of an RB or kick returner either. If you base the argument on need and potential (you have Carr, Davis, Mathis, etc), the Texans trade down period.

IMO McNabb is better than Peyton all things being equal. McNabb certainly has a much better playoff record with less talent around him. Further, I think there is a much better chance VY becomes McNabb or better than David Carr becomes Manning or better. My opinion of course.

Well he did embarrass a lot of Heisman voters and made ABC/ESPN's media dept look like buffoons (Bush as the greatest of all time pre-made video stuff). Since it was crystal clear when it all said and done another guy was the best college player, maybe they can justify their vote by saying at least Bush is the best future pro player.

Honestly I don't think most of it is bias as much as they have never seen quite a player/prospect like VY, and don't know what to do with him. He doesn't fit the standard formula, threatening to many. Every NFLer (current or ex) I have heard on the radio and such seem to believe VY is a scary good talent who will make positive impact in the NFL. Sure, VY could fail in the NFL, but I wouldn't count on it and wouldn't want to be the guy to pass on the option of drafting him.

 

In that case, Leinart may be reunited with his former OC (chow) who is now the offensive coordinator of the titans

 

yeah, i was thinking that, too. just kinda speculating, though...because i understand NOLA is interested in Brees. as you say, that doesn't mean Brees is interested in NOLA!

 

how much difference is there in contracts between 2nd and 3rd pick?

because some people might prefer to not be drafted by a team that they think might leave town..

 

Kiper still has Jay in his top ten. He said he had a very good reg. season and these were his words, "he was OK in the senior bowl and OK at the combine." He definitely emphasized ok.

What makes it not clear? The mmost recent reports said he made a 16, how much clearer do you need it?