[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

YOUNG SIMPLY THE GREATEST

The inclination is to call Young the Muhammad Ali of Wednesday’s BCS title tilt. Young floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee, passing for 267 yards and running for 200 yards and three scores.

But the truth is he was Frazier, the underappreciated, talented superstar with something to prove. And just like Frazier, Young battered the team considered the “greatest of all time,” brought out the best in USC (and rival quarterback Matt Leinart), and the Texas QB shook up the world.

 

We don't hear "Can bush be an every down back"?

 

Please show me anyone in the media/NFL circles right now questioning Reggie Bush at the top of the NFL Draft. You can't do it. And no, you don't see any articles about Bush and his draft status/question marks right now. Same with Leinart. People are questioning if Vince should be taken over Cutler. One was arguably the best player in CFB, the other a decent quarterback on a bad college team. You don't see people questioning Bush over Deangelo Williams or Laurence Maroney, for example.

In fact, the media has avoided talking about whether Bush can take the pounding of an NFL back for the most part. Most think he is the next great thing. But here we have a crap article from a crap writer spouting inaccuracies about Vince Young a month before the draft, courtesy of ESPN Page 2. The same network that had the audacity to crown USC champs before the Rose Bowl was even played. Then on SI.com, one of their NFL writers(Jeff Chadiha) wrote an article claiming Vince is not the caliber talent Michael Vick was when he declared(except for the fact Vince had superior numbers mind you) and that get this: he is a project as an NFL quarterback.

The guy led the nation in passer efficiency practically all year, and this writer basically assumes that his motion won't let him succeed(except he did just fine in college mind you). I mean sure he says he can be successful in the right system, but please tell me when was Carr or Vick or Harrington or McNabb etc considered a "PROJECT." And he had numbers comparable if not better than all those quarterbacks.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jeffri_chadiha/03/01/young.take/index.html

 

dvauthrin. Cutler was a lot more than a "decent" qb.. and the scouts know that.

 

you can't just assume that someone is just decent.. if he was just decent he wouldn't be sec player of the year

and it's not some horrible unjust for someone to suggest that Vince may slip a spot or two.. shoot even the ones who question him usually still have him in the top 5! in fact, the ones who question him often still have him going 3rd in the draft and the 2nd qb..

Bush is just considered a lot better than the 2nd best rb.. and Vince is considered by most to be the 2nd best qb (behind Matt).. Bush gets questioned some, but there is no other rb that is really close to him so it's hard to justify saying another rb is better.. but i have heard people question his ability to be an every down back

 

Fine, he is an above average college qb. It doesn't change the bottom line, which is that he has no business being picked higher than Vince Young. Also, Cutler bombed badly in the Senior Bowl game, but yet his stock improved because of practice workouts before the game? Give me a break.

 

dvauthrin.. even before the senior bowl game, most scouts were realizing Jay is the real deal and Kiper already had him in the top 10 in his draft.

His stock improved because they say he does have the best arm in the draft.. and has a lot of skill.

Most people haven't seen enough of Cutler to realize his talent.. scouts have though

 

and my understand is that scouts care a lot more about the workouts than they do the game..

the game is with unfamiliar people.. the workouts give a lot more of a chance to see his arm strength etc.. and they have plenty of game tapes to see his live game skills

 

No, it's an unjustice to suggest Vince is a project, when he posts numbers better than the QB's picked in the first round before him in years past. Yet they weren't considered "projects." To me this draft reminds of the Vick-Tomlinson draft. Except Bush is far less proven as an every down back than LT and Vince had a better year and NC game than Vick did. But for some reason the RB is the one getting pub at number 1 overall and the QB isn't even considered the best at his position.

And there isn't a good reason for it(at least the RB going number 1 part)

 

what reason would the media outlets have for being anti vince????

when most of the fans like him....

 

I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but the NFL puts far too much stock into the combine and workouts rather than on the field performance. I can cite cases like Terrell Suggs where a poor 40 time caused a player to drop while workout warriors like Dewayne Robertson(Jets DT) got picked top 10 because of workouts and has done nothing of note since.

 

dvauthrin..... I wouldn't call Vince a project really, I think they say that because his game isn't as much like the pro offense as the other two qbs.. so it might take a year or two for his skills to be put to good use...

I wouldn't call it a project.. because to me a project sounds like someone that will take a lot of work before he is good at all. I think Vince will be okay when he gets in, just might take a year or two for him to be up to his full potential. A pro offense is normally different than what he is known for.. I think the adjustments that take a while are largely the offense he goes to adjusting to him... an OC etc learning to use his skills

He'll be a good player.. I pretty sure of that much

 

dvauthrin.. his stock went up largely from people watching his tapes.. kiper watched his tapes and had him in the top 10 BEFORE the senior bowl..


if you watch every one of his games at Vandy.. he showed his skills.... it just took a while for his stock to match his skills because people had to catch up and watch his games etc.. he was sec player of the year. he proved his talent on the field. not during the workout

 

Vince will most likely be picked ahead of Cutler, I just think that it's a lot closer than people give him credit for (and most longhorn fans haven't even seen the guy player other than the senior bowl)..

Vince will be one of the top picks.. probably 3rd or so.. it's good that people think of you as important enough to write articles about you that bash you

You are upset that people discount Vince, and I'm upset that people discounted Cutler all year when he should have been getting publicity from day 1..

I need to go fill out about 20 job applications.. have a good night

 

I think part of it is the shotgun offense we used, and his motion. Part of it is people look at McNabb now and Vick and say a running QB doesn't work. And people view Vince as solely a runner even though he led the NCAA in passer rating most of the year. I also think having the other two top prospects from Southern Cal plays a role in it too.

And I'm not saying fans think he is a project. Most of us think he will be a special talent in the NFL eventually. But for a guy at the top of the draft and a guy with his credentials, he is the one top prospect getting the most split opinion on his ability from media types/scouts. I mean, you would think that we would be accentuating his positives, and reflect on what he did January 4th, rather than have writers calling him a "project" or taking inaccurate shots at him like Whitlock.

The reason it bothers me is he proved he was the best player in the country on the field all year and had a NC performance for the ages, yet he might be the one slipping? It's mindboggling to me and if he does slip, some team will get the gift of a lifetime.

 

dvauthrin.. would you say that the offense you ran is different from most pro teams though?

I'm in Nashville most of the year (back in Houston again in May woho), so I haven't seen Vince as much as most.

Do you think the offense UT runs is pretty different from a pro offense? The things I've read suggest.. yeah he has a high passer rating, but they were short, underneath passes etc.. I don't know if that is true or not?

 

A diamond tennis bracelet from Zales?

 

It is all a bias against Vince Young and a conspiracy. They only like the usc players and cutler (for some reason). It is not because Bush is one of the best prospects to ever come out. It is not because Leinart has all the tools to be a prototypical QB. Vince Young has no questions about him (he led college football in passing efficiency in a "complex" scheme)

 

Unfortunately , the draft is based on more than just what they did in college. Say what you want about Vince, but there is no debate that he will indeed be a project. He was at Texas too. It took him 2 and a half years there.

 

This guy went to the Richard Justice School of Journalism and Other Assorted Disciplines.