[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Get ready to start hating.

The Saints more than likely will select Leinart.

 

That's true too. If he turned the Raiders around he would be a God also.

Talent wise, Moss is untoucable. He's definitely still an elite receiver but I just wouldn't want him on my team.

 

But knowing your team sucks also lowers the expectations and pressure on you. You make a great play out of bad plays every once in a while and you look good. But because you have all the tools and can make great plays doesn't mean you can just step in to be a terrific and very consistent player for great team under incredible scrutiny like UT or SC. To make a comparison the best guy for a sucky basketball team might not be the best player for a great basketball team.

You are right in my case. But he didn't exactly look spot on in all post season workouts. He has probably been overall the best QB prospect from the Senior Bowl workouts, Senior Bowl games and combine looked at in total, but of course the other top QB prospects haven't participated. I don't have a problem with him being a top 3 QB pick and top 10 overall pick, it is the argument (e.g. Mort) that he is THE top QB prospect that I don't buy yet. Maybe if VY and ML totally suck during their pro days that could change, but not if they meet reasonable expectations.

Scouts do like him, he about all is universaly regarded as a top half 1st round draft pick. Elite company. But he sure didn't seem to do at Vandy statistically or in terms of team success what Couch did at UK or Eli at Ole Miss. It isn't like he is the 1st guy to play with sucky teammates or the most statistically impressive guy with sucky teammates.

Sure Cutler probably would have been excellent, but let us not assume he could have been as near perfect versus an excellent Texas defense as ML was in the 2nd half, or would have made every critical play after every critical play with the season on the line as in the ND game. Assuming Carroll is truthfull, he wouldn't have picked another player to guide his team other than ML, and that includes Carson Palmer who he described as having all the tools.

For VY, I can't any of any other college player I have ever seen who you swap with VY and Texas likely beat SCs. VY scored toe to toe with a team with 5 great offensive skill players (1st round picks, most top 10) who were playing behind a great offensive line (all of whom likely to be drafted). I wouldn't like Texas chances to beat SC with any other college player I have seen except VY as QB. They needed every inch of his passing, running, consistency and poise, and I can't think of another player with quite that combination as a college player. I really doubt Cutler could have saved them in that game or won the Ohio State game where also VY's legs and arm in combination kept Texas in it.

 

desert scar.. we'll see in a few years.. I have a lot of faith in Jay because I've seen so many games of him in person as he has developed....

He went from not being recruited as a QB at division 1 schools, to likely being a top 10 pick. I see him as having a lot of upside and the raw skills to be better than ML in the long run.. I think a lot of his "weaknesses" were due to having to run for his life behind the OL..


And I don't know people who have made bowls with less talent around them.. even kentucky usually has a little more talent than Vandy.. the academic requirements etc put vandy in a pretty unique situation.. I don't know many qbs that have won in a conference as tough as the SEC with little talent around them.. and it's not like couch won the sec title or anything...

 

I think ML and VY are great, I'm just arguing that people who actually see Cutler play would consider taking him ahead of at least one of those two.. but I don't think it's going to happen...

I think I'm in a uniqiue situation because I've seen him throughout his 4 years.. probably watched more of him than all but a few dozen people

 

eh, I guess outback bowl is decent.. but I'm betting that team has a little more talent around Couch...

One last thing on Cutler's stats.. he had a new coaching staff his first year playing.. just this year did he really start to get a system that let him throw the ball more and take advantage of some situations.. that's why I see him having a lot of upside, this was the first year I thought his talents were able to be taken advantage of..

 

You could be right and we will see in a few years. I just wouldn't put him ahead of ML or VY unless they suck at their pro days. Right now I would have VY 1st of the QBs (ML 2nd, Cutler 3rd, pending pro days), but I understand he is a different animal with different upside and different concerns. Cutler may turn out to be the best, we will see down the road.

 

desert.. I'm sure they will all turn out to be good players, right now I too expect Cutler to be the third qb taken.. falling to the Raiders could actually be a good thing for him... and the Titans are in the same city he played college ball in... but that doesn't really matter much since most of the fans are Tennessee fans

I'm just glad I look a little smart now.. I said a couple years ago that Cutler would be a player in the NFL one day and everyone just laughed at me.. shoot even back in August a lot of people didn't know about him...

 

rocket fan, I admire your loyalty and I hope you now understand why some of us defend Vince (and on the polar opposite end, some will be just as vehement against him).

I think Cutler threw the ball at what, 60 mph at the combine? Reportedly, Vince has thrown it at least that fast as well. Vince had his share of drops also, he even had them when he played with the big three.

I have nothing against Cutler as he's not even a blip on my radar screen. He could turn out to be the best of the three, you never know. But, and I'm not saying it's you, but some are way too swift to dismiss Vince.

 

I can't think of too many nfl types on those UK teams.

 

gr8... I'm not dismissing Vince at all.. some people have moved Cutler up as a result of dropping Vince down.. I've thought highly of Cutler from day 1 based on his abilities.. nothing to do with what I think of Vince.

I haven't analyed Vince nearly as much as UT fans, so I'm not an expert as much as UT fans are.. I just get annoyed by people that haven't seen much of Cutler in actual games basing things totally on the combine. I think if you watch him on the field.. you see his talent.

Vince will be a good player... I think someone who wants to go in that direction should take Vince..

I see Cutler as having more upside than ML though.. I think Cutler can be just as good a traditional qb as ML but he also has a stronger arm and does have so mobility (he moves pretty well).. and he is a tough guy who can take a beating..

The people going after VY are going after a dif type player.. if im going after Leinart that's when I specifically would consider Cutler.. if you want a more traditional player I see Cutler as having just as much upside if not more than ML



As for UK, they are horrible but
compared with some of the vandy talent over the years, UK has been decent.. Cutler's first year we were rock bottom with a new coach, I think we are actually building a decent team in the future (decent as in contend for a bowl every once in a while) but we sure weren't decent before this year.(I have seen progress though)

 

as for drops.. no way texas has as many as vandy has

I believe most scouts have said Cutler does have the better arm, but they are two different type players totally... I think Cutler is a little less traditional than ML and a better option than ML is...and this has the potential to be a draft with 3 really good qbs..


once you see Cutler play more.. I think you will be set on him being a good player... they all 3 will be good players.. it all comes down to getting in the system that best fits the players

 

Sure. What's funny is some people have had a chance to see Vince play and still don't believe he can play.

I don't think anyone here hates on Cutler though

 

gr8.. Vince can play, that is for sure.

I think NFL defenses will be able to contain his running more than college defenses obviously, but every player has to adjust to the NFL.

I think it might take a few years for him to adjust, but if he continues to improve at the pace he improved the last few years.. there is no reason to think he won't be a good pro....

 

Yeah I agree. VY6 is not going to have the "look for the tight end, and if he's covered, RUN" offense in the NFL. Defenses will have players who are faster than him. They're not going to have to respect his running capabilities as much as college teams did, which greatly helped his ability to pass in college in my opinion. There's a reason why most scouts don't even rate VY6 as the top QB in this draft.

 

You're right, defenses will have players who will be much faster than him, just like there will be defenses that will be faster than Reggie Bush. The Texas defense alone was able to limit Bush to only 98 yards rushing.

Defenses will have respect his running capabilities just like they have to respect Vick's. They will have to prepare for it and wouldld most likely have to make changes here and there in order to do so.

It's also the same scouts that had both Manning and Rivers rated higher than Roethlisberger, Akili Smith higher than Culpepperr, Couch higher than McNabb, etc...

 

At least we Vandy fans aren't asking the Texans to draft a second QB just because he went to our college.

 

That's because he's not Vince Young.

 

TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!

 

Ah, it seems Old Sammity Sam Fisher has arrived. Oh happy day.

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