[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

They are all over the place on Vince now. I still think he goes 3 to Tennessee unless all this Cutler hype is true. My feeling is if Cutler's really as good as they say he is then he's better then Leinart as well. Tennessee is perfect for Vince with McNair being there. I think it's interesting that they restructered Steve's contract for 1 season (I know it was cap related as well but they could have just went ahead and released him).

If he slips to the Raiders then that would be a disaster.

 

Why would it be a disaster? He'd have Gallery protecting him. He'd have a solid RB. (Tenn Rbs suck) He'd have two WRs that specialize in the jump ball, which is perfect for someone with "accuracy issues"

I think the Raiders are a great team for Vince.

 

According to Kiper and Clayton, the Cutler workouts have been overblown.

Hey, but the draft is still far away. Vince could fall out of the first round soon. Keep hope alive.

 

Gotta go with mateo for this one, I think the worst possible scenario for VY is if he goes to NO. The Saints have zero talent and I can't think of any athlete that would actually want to live in NO right now.

I think the VY on the Raiders could be a good thing. They have a good OL w/ Gallery leading the way. He would also have some great weapons in Moss, Porter, and Jordan. I would personally love to see VY in the black and silver. The Titans would also be a great fit for all the obvious reasons, but I don't want to have to play him twice a year, especially if he goes off (which I think he will).

 

that would be awesome if he doesn't get picked by the texans

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2006-03-01-debate-young_x.htm

 

gr8,

I think Cutler's spot as a top pick was earned during the season. He just didn't get much publicity during the season, so it seems like his stock only went up with the workouts. But the scouts etc, all liked him during the season.

Kiper was one of the first to put Cutler into the top 10 a long time ago, so I don't know why he is suddenly saying he is overhyped... and I believe Clayton is the one who had him as the top qb long before anyone else...


My point is, I don't think the workouts are what got Cutler a high pick.. I don't think scouts are projecting him as a top pick because of the workouts.. it just seems that way to most people because they had never heard of him before.. as someone who saw his games in person the last 4 years.. his skills are enough to make him a top 10 pick... even without good workouts, if you broke down his games from the last 4 years.. he'd be a very high pick

 

Vince Young is perfect for Tenn.

 

Thanks a lot gr8, good read.

 

I think Mel was hinting that alot of people were overhyping his workouts. Doesn't Mel still have him 10-15ish? That's not bad. Mel seemed a bit surprised that some said that he would be the first qb taken and the Jets were gonna trade up and get him.

I'll give Cutler his props. I'll take your word on it. However, if you want to talk about earning it in the regular season, I doubt many did that better than Vince. And, Vince didn't play in alot of second halfs. I don't have Cutler's stats in front of me, but I would think he played alot more than Vince since his team was in alot more games.

Did he? I thought it was Chris Mortenson, aka mr. SEC.

 

I think it is Mort who has been the Cutler supporter as well.

I think most agree Cutler is a top 10 pick. The questions are if he will go before VY and ML (top 3). Some are saying Cutler is the best QB prospect on the board, and just like Mel and others I don't buy it.

Considering VY and ML big game pedigree, winning record and skills, I think Cutler would have had to have been almost perfect at the combine and senior day to move in the #1 spot. He hasn't IMO, just a little bigger arm isn't enough to pass over the others. Thus I think the "Cutler is the best QB prospect" stuff is overhyped, I agree with Kiper and others. It makes a lot of sense for teams like Tenn and NYJ to talk up Cutler if they really want VY or ML. To me Cutler is a solid 2nd choice if the team wants a more traditional passing QB (behind ML) and if the team want to take the most talented but most risky and most different pick they go with VY.

 

Sucky teams dont want risky picks.

 

I will hate Bob McNair forever if he gives VY to the Bud.

 

Well, we arent taking Vince, so you better cross your fingers that the Titans take someone else.

 

desert.. how much have Cutler have you seen?

I think winning at the college level is overrated... if Cutler had the players around him that Matt and Vince had.. he'd be making big bowl games too

 

gr8.. my bad it was mortenson... I couldn't put a face to the name earlier and was thinking Clayton.. mortenson is right

 

gr8.. sorry for all the posts, but my point was I think you REALLY have to look at the talent around Cutler. Not to disrespect his talent, I love the guys and have class with a lot of them... but he did a lot considering what he had around him.

I think stats aren't that useful when considering people that had totally different talent levels surrounding them.. Cutler lost hundreds of yards on dropped passes etc..


I think Matt and Vince are great, and have no problem with them being ahead of Cutler.. my point is just I think a lot of Cutler's talent you can't realize without seeing him on a regular basis..... I've seen enough of him in 4 years to have faith in the skills and can imagine how he would be with more talent around him.. but that's because I've seen every dropped pass he has thrown etc. .

 

Almost zero in real games, admitedly. But he hasn't been close to flawless in workouts (see below) or the senior bowl game, and his college stats are not all that special. He isn't the 1st QB to play with little talent around him, and some guys had a lot more team success and impressive stats in those situations (e.g., Elway, Couch). Perhaps Vandy was so sucky around him neither VY or ML could have done better the last couple of years, but I think that is a lot more probable than either Texas or SC being a better team had you subbed Culter in for their QBs. Speculative of course, but my money would not have been on Cutler.

I would certainly say winning at the college level isn't the most important factor, but knowing how VY and ML reacted (positively) in the most pressure packed situations is certainly a bonus.

Like I said if Cutler looked otherworldy in the Senior Bowl and throwing at the combine it would be one thing (Elway like), but he hasn't. He isn't the athlete of VY, he doesn't have the record/pedigree of either VY/ML, and hasn't been tested with that kind of pressure. You have to weight a little more arm strength over a lot of more known positives for VY or ML to take Cutler above them, I see it extremely doubtfull Cutler is the 1st QB off the board.

 

John Elway never led Standford to one bowl game. Jay Cutler did enough to be voted SEC player of the year. Team accomplishments, in of itself, is not the greatest of barometers.

 

desert scar.. I just think Cutler did enough in the season that he shouldn't have to have an amazing workout..

And there were NFL network analysts saying months ago (in articles) that they think it's very possible that Cutler would have won as many games at USC and Matt might not have won as many at Vandy..

Try making a bowl game when your running back is shot and killed in the offseason.... Jay didn't have Reggie Bush etc around him

Cutler led some comebacks in big situations this year on the road... and was a silly excessive celebration call away from leading a huge comeback at Florida..


I don't think ML or VY would have won anymore games this year.. much of our problems were on special teams etc.. and the fact that our rb was killed