[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

His point was that just because you prefer Bush, doesn't make you a Young hater.

Your argument is that needing Young is no different than needing Bush. This is a valid argument and has much debate. Everyone has their reasons for preferring one over the other.

Hating any draft prospect is just stupid.

 

this is the same logic that's baffling me here. we need a RB even less than we need a QB. DD was our most productive and consistent offensive player last year, and Kubiak's track record with RB's probably passes his track record w/ QB's.

 

DD was our most consistent player, because we had no passing game.

DD is injury prone. I'm not saying that we need Bush, but most could agree that he would improve our RB core and provide much needed rest for DD, while adding a play maker.

 

President Bush scored a 4 on the Wonderlic.

 

And Al Gore invented the Wonderlic.

 

You guys give me hope for a reasonable debate. Good to know all R Bush to the Texas proponents are not damned fools.

I personally don't think a part time RB, now matter how exceptional and explosive in open field, is worth a #1 pick in a draft (like this one).

I also view VY as quite possibly an improved version of McNabb or McNair (little bigger than McNair, little faster and calmer than McNabb). I can't say for sure he will be, but it sure wouldn't surprise me and I haven't seen anything on the field to doubt he has that potential. (maybe his arm will be weaker, I guess workouts will show if this is the case)

I also agree with NYRule that Bush's game right now is tailor made for college (speed and elusiveness in the open field), and USC allowed him to play to his strengths and not leave potential weaknesses of his exposed. I am not going to say he doesn't have the athletic talent of Faulk or Dorsett, but I think he has a lot further to go as a complete NFL RB like they became than a lot of people think. If he has a blistering Pro Day (e.g., 4.3 40, great drills; note--I think he will run a 4.3, seeing as Huff ran a 4.36 today at the combine and I thought Bush looked a tad faster, but I guess we will see), and comes in a rock solid 205-210lbs--I certainly become more comfortable with him. But say he is more like in the low 4.4s (still very fast, but not NFL stupid fast) or barely 200lbs in a 5'11" frame--it starts bringing up questions like he isn't going to make pro dbs and lbs look foolish like we are used to him making them look in college or that he might not be durable to lower body hits.

So I see both with immense talent and neither as sure things. So in this case I defer to the more important position, QB. But I want to see more workout info. And if the questions become greater for both players, the smart move is trading down and taking DBrick, Hawk, Mario Williams or Vernon Davis plus a load more. There are some tremendous non QB and RB talents that may be better than Bush, ML, VY or Cutler.

 

It's just a matter of preference. No disrespect to VY.

I think VY has some natural abilities. I personally think that Carr will have a better passing career than VY. I think that RB is more elusive in the open field than you give him credit. Bush is the perfect RB to add to Davis. Preserve Davis and add to the threat of attack.

If we get VY, I won't be disappointed. I just think he will need some time to develop. Until then, he's going to compensate with his legs. I hate when QB's running the ball. It's like sicking a pitbull on a beagle.

 

I think Bush is one of the most elusive open field players I have ever seen. I just think that quality is a lot less important to being a great pro running back than many others qualities. Some of the best running backs ever were not known for their ability in the open field, in fact 6 of the 10 all time rushers--Smith, Payton, Martin, Bettis, Allen, Harris--were not fast by NFL RB standards.

 

Sorry to break the pissing match between Bush fans, VY fans, and VY haters. How would you guys use each of these players if they played on the Texans. I know VY will likely not play his first year, but what would you do in years 2-3 for him? Here are some of my thoughts.

Vince Young:

Early in VY’s career I would try to keep the game plan as simple as possible. You don’t want VY to overthink and take away what he does best on the field – improvising. He should only have two options to throw to when he drops back, and after that option #3 should be to run. I would run I high percentage of bootlegs, and tell Vince if he sees an opening to just run. Many of VY’s big plays will come from his ability to avoid the rush. After a play breaks down his ability to by time behind the line of scrimmage and find an open receiver down field will be where VY will have most of his success early in his career.

Reggie Bush:

I would make sure to find a way to get Bush 20-25 touches per game. I would try to run Bush about 15-20 times per game and DD around 10-12 times per game. When DD comes in the game I would line up Bush in the slot as a 3rd WR. Bottom line is Bush should be on the field at all times except in short yardage situations. I would run around 2-3 screens per game for Bush when anticipating a blitz by the other team. After Bush breaks a few 50 TD run’s off of screen passes teams will blitz less allowing more time for Carr to throw.



Any other ideas?

 

I think that 2-3 year wait is what makes this a dead issue, no matter what the fans in Houston want.

 

Listened to Jackie Sherrills' take yesterday on 610 am on the Bush vs. Young debate, here is the recap-

on Young- Alot like Steve McNair, will take 1-2 years to develop believes he has what it takes to be very successful, must get the mental part down (compares him to McNair)

on Bush- Has the talent to make a big impact, considers him a situational back and shouldn't be looked at as an everydown back. He won't be able to carry 20 times a game in the NFL. Thinks teams will use him in the slot, returning kicks and then some as a RB. Thinks he can make 1-2 big plays a game.


Well for what it's worth- can't argue too much with that.

 

This is a pretty big quality that played a major part in why he has been so successful at RB and Receiver.

 

It's all in good fun Longhorn fans.

 

HAHAHA, i think thats the face he had after Bush won the Heisman. I will await a photo of him winning the national title from somebody (Samfisher probably)

 

The more I think about it the more I am in favor of trading down, taking D'Brick and using the second rounders I would have now (my own and one from the trade) and moving back into the first for Vernon Davis. If this kid turns out to be 3/4 the player Gates is then we could be decent next season.

 

For somebody who still thinks, as of today, that "Vince can't pass" I don't know if you should be making fun of people who are slow on the uptake.

 

You are in denial, just because he can throw dump passes doesn't mean the guy can throw. Its easy to throw to wide open receivers because the defense is keyed in on to see if you will run.

 

I checked with my well-connected source: Vince did score a 6. My source confirmed the score with many different people, including someone actually in the VY camp (a BIG somebody, too). (I won't name names, though, so don't ask.)

So, to those of you thinking I suffer from confirmation bias, there you have it. A big, fat SIX. Man, that's just... bad. Granted, the Wonderlic isn't the end-all, be-all for drafting purposes, but this just solidifies my opinion that the Texans should trade down.

 

So, what about that 16?

 

My source didn't know about the re-grading. I'd like to think I'm being f***ed with, but I highly doubt it, as there's no good reason for this person to lie to me. My source has also been awfully accurate in the past and has an excellent track record.