[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

The whole situation is definitely bizarre. I'm really itching to know what really consipred the last couple of days.

 

Where do you live? Do you mean "all the way back in aaaawwwwee-steeen teeeeck-sas"?

 

Vince is one of the *worst* interviews I have ever heard. Immature, inarticulate, tons of slang, and not thoughtful in the least. He's said himself that he needs to improve his speaking.

 

Actually yes and I later said I regretted it.

 

"Who da real heisman"

 

I agree. I prefer not to listen to him, rather watch him play.

 

As incredibly unlikely as that is, I'll play along. So he had the ability to answer the questions at a decent (for a football player) clip, but he simply didn't read/understand the time limitations? I'm really not seeing how misinterpreting the time limitation on a written test is going to mean a lot when he's under center with two minutes left in the fourth quarter.

It's pretty difficult to triple any score. Simple ratio analysis. If he's illiterate and borderline mentally r****ded, I don't think he's scoring a 16 regardless of how many times he takes that test.

 

The Calvary is in full-stride!! I'll take the Championship player that speaks in slang over a regular player who has perfect articulation and grammar.

His team had no problem understanding him when he is putting together game winning drives, and guess what? That's all that matters.

 

Congratulations. You just described a vast majority of modern athletes.

 

You think that it's incredibly unlikely that someone would run out of time on a test that is intended to not leave enough time to answer 50 questions? That's the whole reason why they only allow 12 minutes to take the test -- to make you come up short on time. They are trying to see how you think under time pressure. Vince thought, well, like a 6.

 

Not if they could score 16 (almost triple) the next time with the exact same time pressure. Yes, I think it's incredibly unlikely that an IQ test - a test designed to be repeatable and replicable - could have variances this wide between a person's first and second tests, if both were valid. In fact, I find it downright impossible, if the test has any meaning or significance at all.

 

When there is no penalty for guessing and time pressure, the strategy that any well-prepared test taker would take would be to fill in all the bubbles, even with guesses if need be towards the end, to ensure that they have the chance to pick up a few points. As I illustrated earlier, if vince guessed at the standard 20% rate (if 5 choices per question), then over 30 questions, he picks up 6 points by simply guessing randomly as opposed to not answering. If done over 40 questions, then he picks up 8. His score went up 10 points. It is *well within* the realm of possibility that the only difference between test 1 and test 2 was the impact of guessing randomly to make sure all questions were answered. This implies no greater intelligence (thus disproving your theory that tripling is impossible) and is attributable to smarter test taking procedures.

Because we now know that Vince came into the test unprepared (further proof of his ignorance), then this becomes a very likely scenario.

 

The other point to make here is that 16 is still a pathetic score for a QB. It's below the average for a security guard (17). Most security guards I've encountered are total dolts. This is a QB we are talking about here. NFL defensive schemes are complex, and the athletes are superior to college. With scrambling less of a threat in the pro's, making reads and good decisions increase in importance. As does arm strength (not Vince's forte).

Yeah, yeah, Dan Marino allegedly got a 14. Well guess what, I'm willing to give Dan the benefit of the doubt because he is well spoken and carries himself well. He's an NFL analyst for goodness sakes. Plus we have the benefit of hindsight in his case. With Vince, the skepticism is higher because he already sounds dumb.

 

Aside from the absurdness of all of this, I'll play along again. In the hypothetical that this is true... we've proven that what... Vince wasn't a well-prepared test taker? It's one thing if he's significantly dumber than the average athlete. In your scenario, his knowledge of concepts is basically no different... he just didn't have management break down the best written test taking procedure. So, when it's all on the line with 2 minutes left down 6, and two quarterbacks have similar skill sets, you'd break the tie by who has the better written test taking skills? Sorry. To me, any NFL scout who judges Vince by that "6" (even if it were valid, which of course it isn't) should be fired on the spot.

 

Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Steve McNair, Dan Marino... that list is enough for me. Vince did better than all of them.

 

On his second try, which was likely the result of guessing, if not the result of outright fraud by the league. Answers which we may never know for certain!

Akili Smith went from a 15 to a 37. This wouldn't be the first time that "impropriety" occurred on the test...

 

Uh, that he lacks intelligence (6) and common sense (not preparing). If you are Bob McNair, do you want to spend tens of millions on someone who prepares so poorly? Athleticism alone can not carry Vince at the next level like it did in college. It takes the entire package to be a winning NFL QB, for reasons I listed previously.

 

he said get out of my way, i am running this one in

 

Looks like I'm not the only one who is skeptical of this bizarre story... From the guys that broke the 6 story:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/

LEAGUE INSIDERS SMELL A COMBINE COVER UP

LAST UPDATED 11:19 p.m. EST, February 27, 2006

RUMOR MILL: Some refuse to buy the excuses regarding Vince Young's Wonderlic score

 

If I'm Bob McNair, if he prepares properly for football, I could care less what he does with anything else. Also, he looked to have some pretty remarkable vision and instincts in college... you'd have to be pretty delusional to mark it as all athleticism.

Of course, as I've said many times, this argument is entirely irrelevant because multiple general managers, scouts, and the NFL office themselves are on the record admitting that the score of 6 is an invalid score because of faulty administering/grading of the test. I realize that won't stop some of you from believing the burnt orange conspiracy, but I'll note it again for the record.