[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

IC2000 · Feb 27, 2006

gucci888 said:

There is obviously a debate on this board. It's just some feel some things are completely ruled out when nothing has been ruled out so far.

PS 16 is a pretty low score, but it is still higher than Marino, McNabb, and McNair's.
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Like I said before the score is bad but it can be dealt with. Someone can teach him the playbook. Its will he be able to make NFL throws. We already knew he was not an intelligent type QB.

reggietodd · Feb 27, 2006

gucci888 said:

If you truly believe this debate is over, why do you keep coming back?
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Pure entertainment value

gucci888 · Feb 27, 2006

IC2000 said:

Like I said before the score is bad but it can be dealt with. Someone can teach him the playbook. Its will he be able to make NFL throws. We already knew he was not an intelligent type QB.
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Not to start another argument, but what are your reasons for inferring that he is not an intelligent type QB? (Looking ugly and talking funny isn't a reason either ).

DonnyMost · Feb 27, 2006

Ok, this seriously irks me.

Why were the VY wonderlic test threads locked?

There's still reports coming in about it.. the circumstances all seem fishy.

McClain, of course, immediately jumped to his defense with a chron article, anybody could have seen that coming..

there's still a lot of questions surrounding it.. why, if his first score was an "error", did they not just publish his "correct" score instead of retaking the test? And also, how is it possible to screw up the score of a test that simplistic, let alone screw it up that badly.. AND leak the info prematurely.. that's a big pill to swallow.

I'm not one to complain about the moderation of the board, as it is frankly none of my damn business and I don't work on keepin this place running, but locking up the only "bad news" VY thread that has popped up since the Rose Bowl while letting literally a hundred other pointless VY hype threads flow freely seems a bit unfair. I don't know who locked it up, but in the spirit of fairness, please consider unlocking.

SamFisher · Feb 27, 2006

IC2000 said:

Yea thats it! I am biased because I am an Aggie. I praise UT and other UT athletes but am biased because I am an Aggie. Back to that trash. It seems thats the only debate left.
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Yeah, starting a thread in the college basketball forum = you're objective

"The only debate left"? I have a feeling most debates never die with you from a certain angle . . . after all you're the same person who tried to revive the "Reggie McNeal > Vince Young" line about 60 pages back in this thread - in 2006.

percicles · Feb 27, 2006

From ESPN Insider.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...olumns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2346494

The biggest buzz coming out of Indianapolis the last few days is the rumor that Texas QB Vince Young bombed his Wonderlic test. Rumor had Young scoring a 6 on the test. While the results of his first test haven't been confirmed, John Clayton reported that Young scored a 16 on his second try (according to his agent) and he's expected to take it a third time. The results of that test will not be released to NFL teams until next week, so it remains completely speculation at this point.

Just as a barometer, the highest score registered at last year's scouting combine was a 40 (QB Alex Smith) and the lowest score was a 6 (RB Frank Gore). I also have been told by an NFL scout that the other two top quarterbacks this year fared much better on this test, with USC's Matt Leinart scoring a 35 (at the combine) and Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler scoring a 29 (in a test given prior to the combine).

If the reports were true, Young's draft stock stands to be significantly affected, especially with Cutler continuing to skyrocket up most teams' draft boards. When I asked one scout from the AFC if he thought Young would still be a top-five draft pick if the rumor turns out to be true, he answered, "Sure … as a wide receiver, though."

As expected, Cutler shined during his four days in Indianapolis. The only quarterback to voluntarily bench press at the combine in the last two years, Cutler put up the standard 225-pound bar 23 times. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.78 seconds and wowed the NFL brass in attendance with his strong arm and accuracy during the passing drills Sunday. Cutler's interviews have also impressed several interested teams, including the New Orleans Saints, who currently own the draft's second overall pick.

Despite all the quarterback hype in Indianapolis, the player who perhaps has improved his draft stock the most so far is Florida WR Chad Jackson. As an early entry into this year's draft class, Jackson was considered very much an enigma due to his somewhat inconsistent junior season and unknown measurables. However, Jackson put a lot of questions to rest this weekend when he notched the best 40-yard dash time (4.32 seconds) of any offensive prospect in attendance. In my opinion, Jackson ranks as the second-best receiver in this year's class, behind Ohio State's Santonio Holmes, and he is worth drafting around the middle of the first round.

With two of the four workout sessions completed, this has to be considered one of the best combines in recent years from a participation standpoint. Almost all of the defensive prospects are expected to work out during the final two sessions Monday and Tuesday, and a vast majority of the offensive prospects participated in all or some of the four-day process. The highest-rated prospects thus far to opt out of their workouts have been Young, Holmes, Leinart, OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson (Virginia), and RBs Reggie Bush (USC), LenDale White (USC) and DeAngelo Williams (Memphis). WR Jeremy Bloom understandably did not go through the position drills after recently returning from the Olympics in Torino, Italy, but he did run a somewhat disappointing 4.49 in the 40-yard dash.

One of the biggest stories of the weekend was Ohio State DT Mike Kudla, who tied the combine record with 45 reps on the 225-pound bench press. Right behind Kudla was Florida State DT Broderick Bunkley, who threw up 44 reps and looks chiseled at 6-foot-2¾ and 306 pounds. Bunkley is one of the fastest-rising defensive prospects right now and he could move into the middle first-round area with a strong showing during Monday's workout.

As a side note, agent Drew Rosenhaus continues to actively shop his most controversial client, WR Terrell Owens, during this week's event in Indianapolis. Most recently, Rosenhaus had the ear of Chiefs president/GM/CEO Carl Peterson for nearly an hour at Shula's Steakhouse Sunday afternoon.

The following is a more in-depth breakdown, by position, of this past weekend's combine results:

Quarterbacks
This year's quarterback crop looks more like wide receivers or running backs, as the six fastest quarterbacks all ran sub-4.6 40-yard dash times. Texas A&M's Reggie McNeal led the group with a time of 4.35 seconds and has many NFL scouts buzzing about his potential to play wide receiver and return kicks at the next level. The five other fastest include Virginia Tech's Marcus Vick (4.42), Missouri's Brad Smith (4.46), Georgia's D.J. Shockley (4.56), Texas State's Barrick Nealy (4.57) and Toledo's Bruce Gradkowski (4.59).

In a surprise move, Penn State's Michael Robinson elected not to work out at all. After struggling as a passer at the Senior Bowl and eventually running some routes as a receiver during the middle of the practice week, Robinson was expected to work out as a receiver at the combine. Instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to prove his versatility in front of all the NFL front office members and coaches inside the RCA Dome, Robinson has elected to roll the dice with just one viewing at Penn State's pro day in March.

There were reports that Clemson QB Charlie Whitehurst would not work out at this year's combine, but that was not the case. At 6-4½ and 223 pounds, Whitehurst showed up in good shape and put on the most impressive passing display of any of the quarterbacks not named Cutler. Whitehurst's performance will help his cause as he competes with Alabama's Brodie Croyle and Bowling Green's Omar Jacobs in the competition for the fourth quarterback in this year's draft class.

Smith and Shockley both struggled with their accuracy during the passing drills. Shockley has a bit of a stronger arm but his erratic throws continued after a similarly uninspiring showing during Senior Bowl week. Both Smith and Shockley need to strongly consider working out at different skill positions during their respective pro days in March.

Oregon QB Kellen Clemens, who suffered a season-ending ankle injury as a senior, is still recovering and was medically excused from working out.

Vick had an above-average showing on the field this weekend but the same cannot be said for his interviews. With a multitude of off-the-field issues clouding his draft status, Vick has been put through the ringer by designated interviewers from several NFL teams. Not only has Vick failed to properly explain his past actions, the general consensus is that he has come off as "arrogant" and "smug" during the interviews. Furthermore, a number of scouts that I have spoken with this week said their respective teams have already taken Vick off their draft boards.

Furman QB Ingle Martin, who began his career at Florida as a punter and reserve quarterback, registered the strongest arm strength (61 peak mph) of the quarterback group, which is measured on a JUGS machine. Cutler recorded the second strongest, just 1 mph behind Martin.

Running backs
Of all the offensive positions to go through the four-day combine process, running back was the worst in terms of participation. Six of the running backs opted out of their workouts -- three by their own choice and three because of injuries.

First-round prospect Laurence Maroney, who measured in at 5-11 and 217 pounds, cited an aggravated hamstring as his reason for not working out. Bush, White and Williams are the other first-round running back prospects in this year's class and all three chose to wait for their respective pro days to work out. White, who played in the Rose Bowl at 252 pounds, has trimmed down to 238 pounds but wants to be closer to 230 by the time he runs at USC's pro day April 2.

UCLA's Maurice Drew (4.37) and LSU's Joseph Addai (4.40) ran the fastest 40-yard dash times of the running back crop. Drew's marginal size will hurt his draft stock but his explosive speed makes him even more intriguing as a versatile late day one prospect who can serve as a change-of-pace runner, receiver on third downs and return specialist in the NFL. Despite Addai's durability concerns, his impressive showing should help solidify him a spot in the draft's second round.

Fresno State RB Wendell Mathis just missed out on membership into the sub-4.4 club but he improved his draft stock this past weekend nonetheless. On top of running the 40-yard dash in 4.5 seconds, Mathis ranked atop or near the top of the running backs class in the three-cone drill (6.93), short shuttle (4.22), long shuttle (11.27), broad jump (9-9) and vertical jump (33 inches). The two knocks on Mathis were his lack of explosiveness and versatility. However, Mathis certainly proved that he has the athleticism and speed to go along with his size, power and low center of gravity in order to contribute as a north-south ball carrier in the NFL.

Just behind Drew and Addai were Florida State's Leon Washington, Mississippi State's Jerious Norwood, South Florida's Andre Hall (4.42), Virginia's Wali Lundy (4.45) and Washington State's Jerome Harrison (4.47). Of those five, Lundy had the best all-around showing. At 5-11 and 214 pounds, Lundy shows a lot of initial burst and reliable hands as a receiver. Washington also impressed with his hands, body control and balance during agility drills and individual position workouts.

Wisconsin RB Brian Calhoun, on the other hand, may have taken himself out of the running for the competition as the fifth running back in this year's strong running back class by posting a disappointing 40 time of 4.65.

Utah RB Quinton Ganther is a big, strong runner who impressed with 29 reps on the bench press. His lack of ideal speed and agility, however, are the reasons he grades out as nothing higher than a sixth-round prospect.

Wisconsin's Matt Bernstein had the best showing of the fullbacks in this year's crop. At 260 pounds, Bernstein ran a 4.87 40-yard dash.

Wide receivers
Including Jackson, there were four receivers who ran sub-4.4 times in the 40-yard dash at this year's combine. Florida State's Willie Reid recorded the second-fastest time (4.34), followed by Auburn's Devin Aromashodu (4.35) and Miami's Sinorice Moss (4.38). While Jackson stole the show, Aromashodu's 40 time proved to be the most shocking of the group, as most evaluators -- including myself -- were expecting him to run in the 4.5s.

The other top 40 times in this group came from BYU's Todd Watkins (4.40), San Diego State's Jeff Webb (4.40), Wisconsin's Jonathan Orr (4.41), Western Michigan's Greg Jennings (4.42), Arizona State's Derek Hagan (4.42) and LSU's Skyler Green (4.44).

Jennings, who led the nation with an average of 8.91 receptions per game last season, was another one of the big winners over the weekend. Jennings has great hands and is a solid route runner, but there were questions regarding his ability to separate from coverage versus faster defensive backs in the NFL. Those questions should be put to rest after Jennings ran the 40 in the 4.4s and finished with the second-best time of all the wide receivers in the long shuttle (11.15). His performance this week could wind up earning Jennings a spot late on day one of the draft.

Monmouth's Miles Austin (4.47) helped his stock with a good 40 time, but he had some trouble in the pass-catching drills, particularly when trying to handle Cutler's fastball.

After working out exclusively as a cornerback at the Senior Bowl, Boston College's Will Blackmon is wisely giving scouts a different look at him, playing the wide receiver position at the combine. Blackmon has explosive speed (4.46 seconds in the 40) and very good overall athleticism, as seen in his position bests in the three-cone drill (6.67) and broad jump (11-1). However, he lacks instincts as a cornerback and is unpolished as a route runner. Blackmon will probably get drafted for his return ability, and then he will need to find a position niche at the next level.

Aromashodu's teammate, Ben Obomanu, also turned in an impressive combine performance by running a 4.45 40-yard dash, while tying for a group best with a 38-inch vertical jump.

The short shuttle is a good tool for measuring a receiver's ability to change directions quickly, and judging by the results, Jackson (3.97) and Oklahoma's Travis Wilson (3.99) are two of the quickest receivers in this year's class. Making it even more impressive is that both Jackson (6-0, 213) and Wilson (6-2, 214) possess above-average size.

Virginia's Marques Hagans played quarterback in college but worked out as a wide receiver Sunday and looked far more comfortable than expected. Hagans checked in at 5-9 and 202 pounds and ran his 40-yard dash attempts in the 4.4s.

Maurice Stovall did not rank among the elite in any of the agility drills, but at 6-4 and 217 pounds, nobody expected him to. Stovall has taken off a lot of weight, which shows in his increased quickness and speed. He ran a very respectable 4.58 in the 40-yard dash and he showed solid hands during position drills.

Offensive linemen
Of the 53 offensive linemen participating in this year's combine, all but nine ran and four of those were medically excused.

USC OT Winston Justice had a lot of pressure on him entering the four-day combine process but he handled it better than most could have expected. Early entries typically have more to prove at the combine because this is their first opportunity to verify their "measurables." In Justice's case, he was under intense scrutiny during interviews due to a past that includes several off-the-field issues. By all accounts, Justice has matured tremendously since his season-long suspension in 2004 and he was able to ease many fears with the way he handled himself during his four days in Indianapolis. Justice also confirmed his first-round physical skills inside the RCA Dome, where he posted impressive marks in the short shuttle (4.53), three-cone drill (7.31) and broad jump (9-2). Barring any unforeseen setbacks, Justice should be the second offensive lineman selected in the draft behind Ferguson -- likely in the top 20 picks.

Pittsburgh OG Charles Spencer led all offensive linemen with 30 reps of the standard 225-pound bench press. Right behind Spencer was USC OG Fred Matua and Georgia OG Max Jean-Gilles (27).

Oklahoma's Chris Chester, who led all offensive linemen with an impressive 4.88 seconds in his 40-yard dash, may have helped his draft status more than any other offensive lineman at this year's combine. Chester is a versatile midround prospect with experience at all three offensive line positions, as well as tight end.

Seven other offensive linemen ran 40 times of under 5.10, including Miami's Eric Winston (4.94), East Carolina's Guy Whimper (4.95), Boston College's Pat Ross (4.96), Boise State's Daryn Colledge (5.04), Ohio State's Nick Mangold (5.05), TCU's Paul McQuistan (5.07) and Auburn's Marcus McNeill (5.07).

Of that group, Winston and Colledge were the big winners overall. Winston checked out physically and appears fully recovered from a season-ending knee injury in 2004. Colledge, on the other hand, comes from the mid-major ranks but continued to prove this weekend that he can hang with the big boys. He lacks ideal size (299 pounds) and explosive strength (just 21 reps on bench), but Colledge has very good mobility and he continues to improve his technique with more experience. Winston may have used the combine to sneak back into the bottom of the first round. Colledge may have earned a spot late in the second round thanks to his impressive showing.

As a side note, Ross' impressive speed will help his draft stock as a midround prospect, but he suffered a hamstring injury while running his first and only 40-yard dash attempt.

USC OG Deuce Lutui failed to post an elite 40-yard dash time but he impressed in many other -- and more important -- areas. One of the fastest-rising interior offensive linemen in the draft process right now, Lutui stood out as one of the quickest and most technically sound players during position drills. It wouldn't be shocking for Lutui to slip into the bottom of the first round in April's draft, but he still grades out as a second-round prospect on my board.

On the flip side, Michigan State OT Stefon Wheeler and Syracuse OT Quinn Ojinnaka failed to impress. Wheeler looks top-heavy and really struggles when it comes to getting out of his stance quickly and changing directions in space. He earned the honor of the slowest offensive lineman at this year's combine with a time of 5.75 seconds in the 40-yard dash. Auburn OT Troy Reddick barely nipped Wheeler out with a 5.72 40 time. Ojinnaka runs a little bit better downfield but he is not a natural knee bender, which stands out when he's asked to "mirror-and-slide" in pass blocking drills.

Finally, Ohio State's Mangold picked up at the combine right where he left off at the Senior Bowl. On top of his impressive showing in the 40-yard dash, he ran the fastest short shuttle (4.36) of the offensive linemen in attendance and also put up a more than respectable 24 reps on the bench press. Mangold has locked down the spot as top center drafted in 2006 and he should get swept up early in Round 2.
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Like I said Weegie McMeal is going to be great on special teams. Provided his ankles don't give out.

Edit: Maybe one day even "Jerome Mathis" great.

Rocketman95 · Feb 27, 2006

DonnyMost said:

Ok, this seriously irks me.

Why was the VY wonderlic test thread locked?

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=109419

There's still reports coming in about it.. the circumstances all seem fishy.

McClain, of course, immediately jumped to his defense with a chron article, anybody could have seen that coming..

there's still a lot of questions surrounding it.. why, if his first score was an "error", did they not just publish his "correct" score instead of retaking the test?

I'm not one to complain about the moderation of the board, as it is frankly none of my damn business and I don't work on keepin this place running, but locking up the only "bad news" VY thread that has popped up since the Rose Bowl while letting literally a hundred other pointless VY hype threads flow freely seems a bit unfair. I don't know who locked it up, but in the spirit of fairness, please consider unlocking.
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It's part of the Longhorn conspiracy (alum and t-shirt fans, alike) to take over all forms of media. We've started with John McLain and Rich Lord and are now moving onto the BBS.

That, or the one of the wonderlick threads was a bunch of people calling VY r****ded and people making personal attacks (me included) and there was no reason to believe the second one wasn't going to go there as well.

DonnyMost · Feb 27, 2006

Rocketman95 said:

It's part of the Longhorn conspiracy (alum and t-shirt fans, alike) to take over all forms of media. We've started with John McLain and Rich Lord and are now moving onto the BBS.

That, or the one of the wonderlick threads was a bunch of people calling VY r****ded and people making personal attacks (me included) and there was no reason to believe the second one wasn't going to go there as well.
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Heckle all you want, but the fact remains..

10,000 positive VY threads to date.. all untouched.

2 negative VY threads.. both on lockdown.

But then again, I wouldn't expect you to notice the lopsidedness.. I mean, does a fish know he is wet?

And as for personal attacks and namecalling, surfing the other VY threads you'll see basically more of the same.. just because someone calls VY a tard we had to shut'er down eh? I didn't know VY's mom reads this board. We can't have Vince getting his feelings hurt by a bunch of internet BBS warriors, now can we?

Excuse me while I put on my tinfoil helmet.

KAS13 · Feb 27, 2006

I personally find it hard to believe that Vince Young's test was graded incorrectly and then leaked. I mean, we are talking about Vince young here. How come Leinart and Cutler's don't have any discrepincies?

My personal opinion is that it's none of our business what these guys score on an IQ test. That test is for NFL teams to evaluate draft picks and it's publicly humiliating to guys like Vince who score low and have it leaked into the public. For the people who are on this side of the fence, I agree with you.

My personal opinion is that Young really did score a 6 on the first attempt (without any scoring errors or mistakes), but since it was leaked to the public inappropriately they let him retake it and he scored the 16. It was in the news and all over the radio so I have a hard time believing that in a city were he is considered a God reputable sources are reporting it. I think they know they screwed up big time by leaking his score and have to go to extra lengths to fix it or I'm pretty sure Young will be adding to his millions by suing them immediately (and it would be one hell of a large lawsuit too, jeopordizing his draft status, defamation of character, message board ridicule , ect.)

The Cat · Feb 27, 2006

DonnyMost said:

Heckle all you want, but the fact remains..

10,000 positive VY threads to date.. all untouched.

2 negative VY threads.. both on lockdown.

But then again, I wouldn't expect you to notice the lopsidedness.. I mean, does a fish know he is wet?

And as for personal attacks and namecalling, surfing the other VY threads you'll see basically more of the same.. just because someone calls VY a tard we had to shut'er down eh? I didn't know VY's mom reads this board. We can't have Vince getting his feelings hurt by a bunch of internet BBS warriors, now can we?

Excuse me while I put on my tinfoil helmet.
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The reason that thread was locked was because of a reference to politics, not because of the subject of the thread. You might be better off actually reading the threads before you start the whole burnt orange conspiracy talk.

Rocketman95 · Feb 27, 2006

DonnyMost said:

10,000 positive VY threads to date.. all untouched.

2 negative VY threads.. both on lockdown.
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Overstate much? A quick scan of the first three pages of this forum shows two unlocked threads with Vince's name in the title...one is blasting his performance in the all-star challenge.

But then again, I wouldn't expect you to notice the lopsidedness.. I mean, does a fish know he is wet?

And as for personal attacks and namecalling, surfing the other VY threads you'll see basically more of the same..
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Yeah, just like you did here.

just because someone calls VY a tard we had to shut'er down eh? I didn't know VY's mom reads this board. We can't have Vince getting his feelings hurt by a bunch of internet BBS warriors, now can we?
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I don't necessarily agree with shutting them down, but calling it a conspiracy among Clutch and/or Castor27 is absurd.

SamFisher · Feb 27, 2006

DonnyMost said:

Heckle all you want, but the fact remains..

10,000 positive VY threads to date.. all untouched.

2 negative VY threads.. both on lockdown.
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One got locked for redundancy as it was posted within minutes of the other, which turned into a flamefest so the Big Man locked it down.

The Cat · Feb 27, 2006

KAS13 said:

I personally find it hard to believe that Vince Young's test was graded incorrectly and then leaked. I mean, we are talking about Vince young here. How come Leinart and Cutler's don't have any discrepincies?

My personal opinion is that it's none of our business what these guys score on an IQ test. That test is for NFL teams to evaluate draft picks and it's publicly humiliating to guys like Vince who score low and have it leaked into the public. For the people who are on this side of the fence, I agree with you.

My personal opinion is that Young really did score a 6 on the first attempt (without any scoring errors or mistakes), but since it was leaked to the public inappropriately they let him retake it and he scored the 16. It was in the news and all over the radio so I have a hard time believing that in a city were he is considered a God reputable sources are reporting it. I think they know they screwed up big time by leaking his score and have to go to extra lengths to fix it or I'm pretty sure Young will be adding to his millions by suing them immediately (and it would be one hell of a large lawsuit too, jeopordizing his draft status, defamation of character, message board ridicule , ect.)
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It's been reported that everyone had their tests graded wrong, not just Vince Young. I'm sure Leinart and Cutler didn't score as low on the original misgrade, thus their scores did not attract enough attention as a possible 6. Any of you who still believe Young scored a 6 seem to have a bit of an agenda.

DonnyMost · Feb 27, 2006

Rocketman95 said:

Overstate much? A quick scan of the first three pages of this forum shows two unlocked threads with Vince's name in the title...one is blasting his performance in the all-star challenge.
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Don't act like hyperbole is something you've never seen on the BBS..

First three pages eh? Goodie. I specifically said since the Rose Bowl..

Rocketman95 said:

Yeah, just like you did here.
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LOL. RM, please don't act like that was a personal attack. Oh well, another personal attack, might as well lock this thread down!

Come on dude, lighten up..

Rocketman95 said:

I don't necessarily agree with shutting them down, but calling it a conspiracy among Clutch and/or Castor27 is absurd.
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I'll use a quote from you here..

Rocketman95 said:

Overstate much?
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Just because I don't think it isn't fair to shut both of those threads down doesn't mean I think Castor/Clutch are part of a frickin' conspiracy.. fairness first. If it were a conspiracy, I would be banned already and those threads would be deleted.

DonnyMost · Feb 27, 2006

The Cat said:

The reason that thread was locked was because of a reference to politics, not because of the subject of the thread. You might be better off actually reading the threads before you start the whole burnt orange conspiracy talk.
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Actually I did read them, I didn't notice any unusually inflammatory reference to politics.

Besides, that happens quite a bit..

SamFisher · Feb 27, 2006

KAS13 said:

My personal opinion is that Young really did score a 6 on the first attempt (without any scoring errors or mistakes), but since it was leaked to the public inappropriately they let him retake it and he scored the 16. It was in the news and all over the radio so I have a hard time believing that in a city were he is considered a God reputable sources are reporting it. I think they know they screwed up big time by leaking his score and have to go to extra lengths to fix it or I'm pretty sure Young will be adding to his millions by suing them immediately (and it would be one hell of a large lawsuit too, jeopordizing his draft status, defamation of character, message board ridicule , ect.)
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If you heard it on TV, it has to be true. Don't forget to include the National Football League in your conspiracy.

NFL: Reports of Young’s exam score inaccurate
By Terry McCormick, tmccormick@nashvillecitypaper.com
February 27, 2006

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Rumors of Vince Young’s low score on the Wonderlic exam were inaccurate, the NFL said Sunday. Photo by Mike Strasinger.
INDIANAPOLIS — The buzz around the NFL Combine Saturday and Sunday was that Texas quarterback Vince Young had scored an extremely low 6 on his Wonderlic exam.

And while several reporters said they heard the score was correct and that Young had not done any pre-test preparation for the exam before the Combine, NFL spokesman Steve Alic said the rumors are inaccurate.

“I can tell you absolutely that the score that has been reported on the Internet is inaccurate,” Alic said. “I spoke to the person who graded the test, and he assured me that that number was not correct.”

Alic said he could not confirm what Young’s score was, but said results are “confidential and won’t be made available to the clubs until after the Combine.”

Titans general manager Floyd Reese said he did not know the particulars, but said that, “I heard the six, and I heard the test was improperly given, and that they’re trying to correct it.”

There are several different versions of the Wonderlic given, each with its own key for answers. If a wrong key was used, it would obviously hamper the score.

Young, projected as a potential top-three pick, could be adversely affected by such a score. A perfect score is 50 on the 50-question test, in which participants have 12 minutes to complete it.
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Rocketman95 · Feb 27, 2006

DonnyMost said:

Come on dude, lighten up..
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Says the guy freaking out about a conspiracy against negative VY talk.

SamFisher · Feb 27, 2006

reggietodd said:

Please take my name out of this. I never glorifiied the score. The only post I made about it is that I didn't think it was true.

And please stop using "owned" or whatever or you'll get this thread locked like SamFisher has done to a few other threads so far.
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Didn't you jsut say you wanted this thread locked?

Anyway, support your scurrilous accusation - or are you going to come up short again? I didn't post in either of the threads that you refer to as "locked".

edit:Oh, and I forgot

GO BRUINS

Take that reggietrojan!

DonnyMost · Feb 27, 2006

Rocketman95 said:

Says the guy freaking out about a conspiracy against negative VY talk.
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OK man, can we please lay off this word of the day for now?

If you don't agree, then fine, but stop trying to paint me out as some kind of nutjob..

I never used the word conspiracy, you did..

Fairness in moderation folks. Whether it was because it was bad pub or because people were namecalling, etc in there.. I still think we should be allowed to talk about it..

KAS13 · Feb 27, 2006

The Cat said:

It's been reported that everyone had their tests graded wrong, not just Vince Young. I'm sure Leinart and Cutler didn't score as low on the original misgrade, thus their scores did not attract enough attention as a possible 6. Any of you who still believe Young scored a 6 seem to have a bit of an agenda.
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What agenda? The only agenda one could say I have is that I believe the Texans should take Bush #1 or trade the pick if we can get good value (I like the Jets trade scenarios).

I have personalyy said 100 times that if I needed a QB and had the choice between the three I'd take Young (even though I'm pretty sure Leinart is a sure thing and Young is a risk). I'm confident with Carr at QB and I think he can really be good if we give the guy some help.

I also believe in Young went to FSU we wouldn't even be haing this debate. Many people disagree with me and that's fine but most people here (Texas in general and on this board love VY because he brought our state a national championship). If you argue otherwise you're lying to yourself.

I give him all the credit in the world for what he accomplished this season. I still have a lot of questions about him as an NFL player. I don't have those questions about Bush.

I want to either trade with the Jets and get an Abraham, Vilma, their #1 type deal (of course we would toss in a pick too with our #1) or keep the pick and take Bush. Brick is a great pick but he's still not a game changer. Look at what they said about Gallery. Mike Williams just got cut.

As for the Wonderlich, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I personally think he scored a 6 the first time he took it. I don't think they scored Young's test wrong.

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