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[NFL Network] Texans sign Ahman Green

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by rikesh316, Mar 4, 2007.

  1. hatemavs4life

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    Don't remember much about Ramsey but, hasn't he been about as successful as Tim Couch was? Errr ... DC. With DC, you get cursed for life.
     
  2. HillBoy

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    Oh forchrissakes! Look if you actually think this guy is the answer to their running game problems, then more power to you. But when I see them continually go after NFL retreads like Dayne, Green and Leslie, I have to question if they've gone out and hired Carroll Dawson to scout personnel because it certainly looks like they have adopted his philosophy here.

    Green represents an upgrade over Dominick Williams & Dayne but only a slight one. He's slow and on the wrong side of 30. Sorry but this is not the gamebreaker they need to take some of the heat off David Carr (who looks to be the 2007 starting QB). Now if they wanted to get a difference making running back, Willis McGahee has worn out his welcome in Buffalo and desperately wants out of the cold. Last I heard, he was on the block and would be a great fit in Kubiak's offense but you're right: It's so much better to go after ex-Packers in order to keep Mike Sherman happy. I really like reading your posts RM95 but we simply don't agree on this move.
     
  3. Achilleus

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    I wouldn't touch McGahee. Very overrated and could also be on the downside. If the Texans got one good year from him he would hold out and demand a huge signing bonus. Green is just as good and isn't a selfish jerk who thinks he's an all-time great. Plus the Texans gave up NOTHING to sign him because he was a free agent.
     
  5. rhester

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    Hey if you're a bottom dweller team with a lot of holes to fill then Green is an addition who might be worth the gamble for a season. Maybe not. Better than Dayne IMHO.

    That certainly isn't a splash, but they couldn't make a SPLASH with their cap situation.

    They really need to have a great draft. Period.
    A great draft that does not include Brady Quinn.

    This really is the key for me. Do you take Brady Quinn at #8?

    Wow- that would be the worst scenario, pass up VY last season to draft Brady Quinn this season. YIKES!

    Mel Kiper could have done better. :D
     
  6. ima_drummer2k

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    And who do you think we should give up (that Buffalo would actually want) to get him? Buffalo would want (you guessed it) DRAFT PICKS. Yeah, let's give Buffalo some draft picks for him. That philosopy has worked so well for us in the past. Great idea...

    I'm sure that's the only reason we got him.

    If you think Green is only a "slight upgrade" over Ron freakin' Dayne and Waly Lundy, well, with all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.

    I can't believe there are people who see this as a bad move. These are the people who will NEVER be satisfied.
     
  7. stevel

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    Bingo! This is a nice pickup. You need multiple RBs to be effective over 16 game season. Green will be a nice addition. Clark from Oak would also be a nice pickup of for nothing other than improved depth at LB.
     
  8. rhester

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    Just to clarify my position (like my opinion means squat)

    I think it is a very good sign.

    Just need to work hard and make this the best draft ever.

    Please get a potentially tremendous playmaker at #8 or wherever they draft first round and get some other solid starters in the draft.

    I think Green is a very good fit, if not for this one season.
     
  9. ima_drummer2k

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    I gotcha, I was mostly referring to the Grim Reaper....er, uh....HillBoy. (I'm just messing with you, HB).

    BTW, I heard McClain on 610 this moring saying that the Texans brass are DONE trading draft picks for players. NO MAS. To me, this is a good indication that things are looking up for this franchise.
     
  10. HillBoy

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    McGahee was an example of the kind of back I'd like to see them go after. I realize that he's a bit of a head case but his talent speaks for itself. My point here is that he's younger and faster than Green and that's what they (Texans) should have concentrated on. This move reminds me of the same move last season when they got another Green Bay castoff: Samkon Gado. That was also considered a "solid move" and we all know how that turned out as well. This has Mike Sherman written all over it and while that in and of itself, is not a bad thing (coaches go with guys they know), it's not all that great either. Again as I posted earlier to RM95, we'll just have to disagree on this move.

    And yes, I stand by my belief that this is a marginal upgrade over what we have had. What Green will do is to finally make the running game actually work more consistently than it did with Dayne & Lundy because he can actually catch passes. Whether that translates into the kind of dramatic improvement that you are hoping to see is up for conjecture. I just don't see him altering the offensive dynamic that dramaticaly. He's not the type of player you'd consider to be an primary offensive threat due to his lack of top-end speed and his age is a real concern to me. However, if by the grace of God Adrian Peterson falls into their lap at #8, then this discussion becomes moot. Don't expect that to happen but it's still possible. Cleveland can still come down with a case of the stupids.

    Again, the issue here is not one of satisfaction but skepticism. I'll admit to being skeptical until I start seeing something more substantial than moves like this.
     
  11. HillBoy

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    The Texans have $20 million in dead cap money tied up on players no longer here. That is why they are really handicapped in going after the better quality free agents. And it's a good thing that they aren't trading draft picks for players anymore because any team that will trade 2 picks for the likes of Patrick Buchanon has shown that it needs to quit while it's behind.
     
  12. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Your Tweety Bird dance just cost us a run

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    ugh

    as a starter:

    02: 2-3 (with the 2 wins coming in the final 2 games of the reg. season...1 being against us...and then the last one of the season. It was Dallas, but still last game)

    03: 4-7 (started 2-0 and 3-1...then tailed

    04: 3-4 (actually looked decent at times this year.. up and down)



    Hasn't started a game since. I got to watch him a lot in '04, plus preseason '05 when he was in competition for the job.. and yeah, like I said, I just don't think he can win. For me, he has less of "it"--whatever "it" is--than Carr
     
  13. hatemavs4life

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    Well, that pretty well explains it then, he sucks! :p Worse than DC. Wow! So who do you think we go for in the draft now that they have gotten Green?

    I think of a couple of scenarios ...

    1. Do a trade-up with TB to get their #4 pick, Plummer(maybe) for our #8 and maybe some bottom feeder picks and the Texans go and pick CJ! Have to admit CJ with AJ would be a very intriguing combination. Fire and Ice.

    2. Do a trade-up with Oakland and we take JaMarcus or CJ or Thomas not likely but hey in one way shape or form we are ALL a little guilty of talking out of our asses. They take DC off our hands. Quick some send some opiates, barbituates, etc. to Coke-land. That's only way that works. Yeah, and some crates of dom perignon. Maybe you could get Ashton Kutcher to do a "you have been punk'd" episode for this. :D

    3. Stay at #8 and pick either Ginn/Landry/Okoye/Branch/Quinn.

    4. Trade down and load up on picks-another possibility.

    One thing is near certain, I think the likelihood of taking AP is now probably slim at best.

    What do you think on this? Which scenario do you think is most likely to happen?
     
  14. leroy

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    Which is exactly why this is a better move than trying to trade for McGahee. The Bills want picks...probably first day picks. The Texans need all of those they can get. Green is still a very good rb who fits the system. He played behind what was considered one of the worst lines in the game last season and was still very productive. Yes, he's about to be 30. That doesn't necessarily mean the end. Even so, it's a contract that won't kill the Texans should they decide to part ways in a couple of years.

    There really is no bad way to look at this.
     
  15. rrj_gamz

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    This is a good signing, but I think we still look for AP, if he falls, which I doubt...
     
  16. spence99

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    Why is it most people always think the Texan signings are good? Heck, I remember everyone here thinking the trade for Buchanon was a great trade at the time. We're overpaying for Green. His best years were 3-4 years ago.
     
  17. leroy

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    If he's there, the Texans would be stupid to not pick him.
     
  18. HillBoy

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    This is at best a sideways move. It remains to be seen if he has the dramatic impact on the offense that you and others believe he will. As I posted earlier, I remain skeptical especially when folks start to rationalize this by pointing to his past productivity at Green Bay whose running game with Green was OK but nothing spectacular. I'd be surprised if he were to last for 2 years. The key point here is what you said: he fits the system.
     
  19. msn

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    While you make great arguments below, it's hard for me to see how, based on even his numbers alone, Green is not a dramatic improvement over Dayne, Lundy, and Gado.

     
  20. leroy

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    1800 yards and 15 td's (+ 367 yds & 5 td's receiving) just a few seasons ago is nothing spectacular? Are you one of those guys who can't date anyone but a super model? Your standards might be a bit high.
     

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