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[NCAA Football] Nov. 23 Polls & BCS Rankings

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by King of 40 Acres, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. halfbreed

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    Billingsley's computer would have OU ahead in that race followed closely by Morehouse and St. John's.
     
  2. halfbreed

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    I think the argument would be that the teams aren't even because UT's only loss was by 6 while Tech got blown out in their only tough game away from home.
     
  3. rockbox

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    Florida or Alabama will lose by the end of the season so one of them will be knocked out of the top 5. Whom ever wins the game will probably be number 1 with Oklahoma and Texas at 2 and 3. Wouln't this help Texas in the BCS because they will move up 1 in both human polls while Oklahoma stays at 2.
     
  4. fredred

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    Score vs. UT:
    35-45
     
  5. halfbreed

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    It might be possible but imagine the outcry if the #2 team in both polls was left out. You'd wind up having another split national champion if UT were to win the BCS title game and OU smoked whatever sacrificial lamb they were given.

    Also, since UT's computer lead is basically gone, whoever is ahead in the polls (regardless of how much they're ahead by) is likely to be ranked higher.
     
  6. fredred

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    That's a little dishonest. I think the argument is, or at least should be, that all things equal, head-to-head should be the decider. Things are pretty much equal between OU and Texas, they have both dominated opponents and have a close loss to a good team away from home that could easily have gone the other way. Neither side has been soundly beaten (UT was for about 45 minutes, but played so well at the end they almost overcame it and had the lead with 10 seconds to play.)
    Tech on the other hand was so thoroughly dominated by OU that their resume does not compare equally to the other two. It does hurt UT's chances that they lost to Tech, but I think its clear (though my burnt orange glasses at least) that a 44 point loss is not the same as a miraculous last play or a 10 point loss at a neutral sight.
     
  7. rockbox

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    If UT got in the NC game and won. They would be the undisputed # 1 because they beat OU this season. Its not like OU didn't get their shot. Now if Texas lost, then OU could gripe because they didn't get to play against #1.
     
  8. halfbreed

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    Remember, head to head isn't really a huge draw for a lot of the voters as we can see. It's all about perception. If UT were to barely win and OU cream their opponent, I can see enough voters refusing to have UT leapfrog OU out of protest (in the AP, at least).
     
  9. fredred

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    So how do you reconcile UT being below OU's level with the Red River Rivalry? Great teams don't blow 11 point leads to worse teams. Texas didn't get lucky in Dallas they outplayed Oklahoma, point blank. Is OU more physically talented? Yes. But this is not supposed to be a vote for the most talented teams, but for the most deserving. 45-35.

    Also, keep in mind the Tech-UT game came at the end of one of the hardest scheduling stretches in recent memory. Only one team has ever beaten four consecutive top 11 opponents (Notre Dame). While Texas' hardest games have been bunched together, OU has had theirs spread out and preceded by bye-weeks. However subtle, these are big advantages in a game as emotional as football.
     
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    So then shouldn't a 44 point victory by OU trump anything else that these three teams have done to each other?
     
  11. halfbreed

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    Trump? No. It definitely should play in people's minds and I think it did. I think the 44 points was a trump over head to head for most voters.

    Now a 44 point win on the road against Tech would have been even more of a trump and probably would have had OU in the #2 spot this week even before playing OSU.
     
  12. fredred

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    Why pick that? Texas beat OU, who beat Tech, thus UT should be ranked highest. This is the nature of a three way tie. Everyone has a legitimate argument (well, pre-44 point blowout at least).
     
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    Like I said that is my neutral opinion on who shoul be slated higher. Texas did beat OU, but that was with Demarco Murray going down. I will save my final opinion on the outcome of the OSU and OU game next week. If OU dominates or handles OSU like they did us, they are the best team in the big 12 IMO. Since Texas barely got by OSU that is why I have them below OU. Tech was just on a similar schedule as Texas had to play Texas, OSU, and OU in 3 games. I don't know, I don't have a vote, I do like Texas as a fan more than OU, I just believe OU is a better team than Texas. Though I do think you can rule Tech at of the national title picture, they still have a chance on winning the big 12 south with an OSU win, which is what I am hoping for.
     
  14. Anticope

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    Exactly, the three-way tie scenario should keep head-to-head from mattering at all since all these teams beat each other in a round-robin. Therefore, why not look at who was the most impressive out of the three in their wins and losses?

    OU: Beat Tech by 44 and lost to Texas by 10
    Tech: Beat Texas by 6 and lost to OU by 44
    Texas: Beat OU by 10 and lost to Tech by 6

    So looking at this which team was the most impressive in their games against the other two teams involved in the tie breaker?
     
  15. SamFisher

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    LOL - wtf? Yeah that was the story of the game. lol.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Fixed it for ya.

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    Do you think it really would have mattered where the OU-TTech game had been played?
     
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    Of course. The fact OU just beat Tech by 44 points this weekend is the reason I put them ahead of UT despite the game in Dallas. UT is one dropped interception or one stupid pick-6 by Colt McCoy from eliminating this discussion. Too bad for them.
     
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    The story of the game was McCoy making the plays needed to win the game, with a minor yet major detail Murray being injured. The story of the Texas Tech game Crabtree catch, with a minor yet major detail Gideon dropping the interception. The OU game don't think you can find one besides just a straight up @$$ kicking.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Yes, it matters a lot to Tech....

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