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[NCAA Football] Nov. 23 Polls & BCS Rankings

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by King of 40 Acres, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. RedRaiderRocket

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    I don't think it will take Mack Brown long to point that out. Each time had its chance to prove their team was the #1 team in conference. Every team choked. And since we have a pathetic BCS 1 or 2 teams will get screwed.
     
  2. halfbreed

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    Well that argument has been answered this week. Head to head obviously doesn't matter.

    Are you not paying attention to the polls? Tech is NOT in the discussion. UT and OU are right next to each other in the polls.
     
  3. Major

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    Sure - but the logic here is inconsistent. You're saying Tech doesn't matter because the polls moved them down, as a justification for why the polls need to put Texas above OU due to head to head. But why is it then OK for the polls to not use that logic for Tech? You're suggesting the H2H logic should only be applied arbitrarily, no? Or for OU - just say Texas is irelevant because the pollsters dropped them as well?
     
  4. rocketfan83

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    So would OU would have been better beating Tech by 7 last night?

    I get that OU took out Tech b/c of the blowout. I don't understand how OU hurt themselves by destroying Tech and taking them out of the picture. I just dont get it.
     
  5. halfbreed

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    Major, it's like you didn't even watch the game last night. Any team that loses by that much eliminates themselves from the title picture. In the round robin, Texas lost by 6. OU lost by 10. Tech lost by 44.

    One of those things is not like the others.
     
  6. dylan

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    And as halfbreed pointed out, they were blowing out teams before the played UT. Can you point out any way that OU is playing better now than before they played UT? What would you point to as evidence that they are a better team now?
     
  7. Major

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    But you're arguing about how the voters *should* vote! You can't say Tech shouldn't be ranked above Texas *because* they aren't ranked above Texas. Either they should or they shouldn't. If head-to-head takes precedence over everything else for teams with equal records in the same conference (as JBII suggested), then Tech should be above Texas too. You can't have it both ways here - either the logic applies to everyone or it doesn't.
     
  8. RedRaiderRocket

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    Tech should not be in the discussion. We had our chance to make a statement instead we lost by 44 points. I am a Tech fan though I think it would be great seeing us play for the title game, I don't want to see us getting destoryed by Alabama or Florida. Had Tech made the game to at least 10 points I would be arguing my case like Texas and OU fans are. But in the end I still think OU is the best team in the big 12 south, and Tech and Texas are about on equal level. I think both Texas and Tech were overrated, and after the beat down I predicted we would drop to 7 or 8. We probably will go back up after this nightmare week is over and will probably finish in the top 5-6 at the end of the bowl season.
     
  9. Htownhero

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    1 Good catch on the spelling, boy am I ashamed.
    2 In no way am I talking ****, guy asked for a nuetral opinion, I gave one
    3 I agree that UT should be number 2 for the exact reasons you stated
    4 The head to head matchup argument is rIdiculous and everyone here knows it
     
  10. halfbreed

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    It's not that they hurt themselves in doing so. They merely brought it to a two team discussion. Some people think in a two team discussion you should use head to head. Obviously the voters didn't.
     
  11. halfbreed

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    Nobody says head to head should take precedence among multiple teams with identical records. What they're saying is that when you're voting if you think TWO teams (UT and OU) are close together and you're deciding which to rank higher that the head to head should be a pretty big trump card.
     
  12. Anticope

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    According to your logic, they did hurt themselves by beating Tech by 44.
     
  13. Htownhero

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    No it doesn't, move to the SEC and it does. You're in the big12, deal with it
     
  14. Major

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    The fact that they were up 35-0 on Nebraska at the end of the 1st. 28-0 on A&M in the 1st. 42-7 against Tech at halftime. 28-7 vs. K-State in the 1st quarter.

    Compared to 14-0 vs. Cinci in the 1st. 13-0 vs. Washington.

    They are on a mission right now - that's not to say they weren't playing really really well early in the season - they certainly were. But can you name a team (maybe Florida) playing at a similar level right now? And if they are playing better than anyone else, and thus were before the Texas game as well, what's the argument against them being the best team in the country when looking at the full body of work?

    They have the most dominant win (vs. Tech)
    They have the best loss (vs #4 Texas)
    They are playing at the highest level of anyone in the country

    You're suggesting that all the other 11 games be ignored when evaluating the two teams and only look at the head to head. But simultaneously, you're saying DON'T do that with Tech vs. Texas - in that case, we should look at the other games and the fact that Tech played a weaker non-conf schedule and got blown out in a game. But for OU vs. Texas, the fact that they blew someone out and played the toughest non-conf schedule should be ignored?
     
  15. DaDakota

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    If OU blows out OKSU then they deserve to go.....if they barely win...flip a coin..

    DD
     
  16. Major

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    That's not true. The post I was quoting specifically said it:

    I never thought I would see the day when Texas would beat Oklahoma, both teams would finish with the same record and OU would rep the Big 12 South, but it appears inevitable. So much for the regular season being a playoff. In the end, that argument was a big lie.

    All it was is two teams with the same record, with one beating the other. It had nothing to do with whether they were ranked near each other or anything else. So you'd be OK with it if the voters just moved Texas down to #6? You didn't have any problem with OU being far ahead of us immediately after the Texas vs. Tech game, because the head-to-head only applies if the teams are ranked next to each other?
     
  17. halfbreed

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    In a sense, yes. Nobody is arguing that Ole Miss should be ranked higher than Florida or Iowa higher than Penn State because of head-to-head.

    Honestly if it came down to a Texas vs. Tech argument where both teams were vying for a spot and they were pretty much even, I'd have a tough time arguing that Texas should be over Tech because of the head to head win.
     
  18. leroy

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    Fixed it. I guess I was thinking 1 score...
     
  19. RedRaiderRocket

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    How about the way tie be decided on hot women, and a beer drinking contest. Go Tech!
     
  20. Major

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    I kind of really want this to happen just to see everyone's reactions. :D I put very little stock into head-to-head because teams play such different schedules and I think style points should be important, but for the people that are arguing that putting OU over Texas is unfair (especially on Hornfans), it would be funny to see what happens if OU were to lose to OSU and it became Texas vs. Tech head-to-head.
     

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