I assume you want Morey to answer your question. Because you certainly are not accepting mine. I can support my argument using sources like Morey. I can statistically prove that plays called out of timeouts actually significantly decrease offensive performance. I can logically argue that offenses are faced with many of the same problems that defenses face, that modern NBA defenses will take the first option of the offense and blunt it. Where there the offense play call resides? And what do you base your position on?
And that doesn't answer the question of whether or not the Rockets call plays as part of their offense. And that doesn't answer the question of whether or not the Rockets call plays as part of their offense. Watching the game tape. It can't get any more clear than that. Also, using my brain, basketball knowledge, etc. What I don't do is hang on to every word Morey says and completely misconstrue exactly what he is saying and make some pretty big leaps to infer things that he never said. Just as one example of how you do that, Morey said that he believes set plays are less efficient than simply setting a ball screen and letting players create. What you took from that was that Morey means the Rockets never run any set plays at all within the offense. Did Morey say that? No, he didn't. You took a pretty big leap to come to that conclusion all on your own. All Morey said was that he's found set plays are statistically not as efficient than letting players create on their own. That's it. You read way too much into it. And then I show you clear-as-day video of the Rockets running plays, and you still tell me the Rockets don't run plays. That takes an absurd amount of denial on your part.
I am glad to hear it. You are an informed NBA fan. But please understand that you are just a fan. If Morey states that play calling is not as efficient as just letting the players play basketball, do not dismiss it. Modern NBA defenses are very much more adept than anything seen in the past. I believe I posted a short and incomplete discussion above. It is honestly remarkable the points one can make using short clipped videos. They capture 15 or so seconds of a NBA game. And then an amateur analyzes them. Does that path seem fraught with errors? It does to me. Coynes did a remarkable study of human reasoning. How to decide when and where reason is suspect. I believe in that multi-paper treatise is a discussion about how humans so readily dismiss verified experts knowledge. Global warming. Recommended reading.
#1 Would Adelman be happy if Howard and Harden were dropped in his lap? Absolutely, but he was not willing to do what it took to get to that point. He was repeatedly unhappy with Morey trading away players. It goes beyond losing 40% of his starting line up. He did not communicate well with the front office and had an "us against them" attitude. #2 He did not place any real value on Morey's metrics or his vision that the NBA was changing and offenses needed to as well. If a coach is not on the same page as the GM and his philosophy, it will not work. One of them has to go, and thank God it was a 70 year old coach. #3 If Adelman wanted to be the coach of the Rockets, he could have come back. He was not fired. He choose to leave, it was 100% his decision. He wanted an extension and more money, which is what he got in Minnesota, where he has done an amazing job. Especially at the end of games, where the Wolves are DEAD LAST in execution in the last two minutes of the game.
Umm... how about this thread: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=251201 and all other similar threads by HMMMHMM? I can even predict you answer: jtr: You dumb ignorant fan. Those are not "plays." They are R&R sets. blah blah blah... BTW, bmd has been asking you for a direct quote from Morey that the Rockets DO NOT HAVE SET PLAYS. And you keep ducking the request. The fact is, Morey never said that we did not have set plays. He just said that set plays are not efficient. It is not the same thing. If Morey says ISO plays are not efficient, does that mean the Rockets never run ISO plays? See your logical flaw?
First of all, it doesn't matter that it's 15 seconds or so. A single possession isn't something that needs to be seen in larger context. Stop pretending it does. Secondly, you are calling me an amateur. Amateur in what way? I have played basketball all the way through college. I have an NCAA tournament medal. It's a participation medal, because we didn't do jack in the tournament, but you are using the word "amateur" as a way try to discredit me. But that is silly. You know who else is an amateur? Daryl Morey. He's never played a lick of basketball at any competitive level. Am I an amateur in the sense that I was not payed to play basketball? Yes. Am I an amateur when it comes to playing and knowing about basketball? No. So stop being silly. That has nothing to do with anything we are talking about. You are misrepresenting what "experts" have said and you are filling in the gaps with your own ideas.
How do you know that? It depends on what philosophy. Personnel philosophy? Again, we don't know how much of an issue was that. I already pointed out that coaches and GMs don't always agree on personnel decisions. It doesn't mean that they can't work together. GMs typically consider the kind of players the coach can use well. Look at how JVG got his type of players. If it's coaching philosophy, then that's another story. Morey has always said that he doesn't make coaching decisions. I don't know how honest he is about it. If Morey keeps interfering with coaching style and decisions, then I don't blame Adelman for wanting more "control" as you put it. Blaming the coach for wanting more personnel control yet condoning the GM for wanting more coaching control is double standard. This excuse is the most blatant BS I've heard time and again. Les Alexander NEVER fires coaches. You see, Rudy T, JVG, Adelman they all just left. It was at the end of their contract. They were not extended. So they were not fired. They just left on their own. That's just BS. The only good argument you have is Adelman's age. Yeah, he's old and might have been losing it.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7547400.html Adelman, Rockets disagreed over successor Team wanted former coach to mentor management-selected future coach By JONATHAN FEIGEN Copyright 2011 Houston Chronicle May 2, 2011, 7:57PM The Rockets had decided they would choose Rick Adelman's successor even before the team and the coach had agreed to part ways. Adelman could have remained the Rockets' head coach, but was told that the Rockets had decided to hire his successor and put him on Adelman’s coaching staff if he remained, according to two individuals with knowledge of the talks. Though Adelman and Rockets general manager Daryl Morey came together on several issues, Morey wanted Adelman to mentor a successor that Morey and Rockets owner Leslie Alexander would have chosen and put on Adelman’s staff. Adelman was unwilling to make the changes necessary to his staff, arguing in favor of assistants. Adelman, 64, has long touted lead assistant Elston Turner as ready to lead a team, but the Rockets were not willing to designate Turner as Adelman’s successor, leading to Turner’s decision to turn down an offer to interview for the head coaching position. There were discussions about adding Rio Grande Valley Vipers coach Chris Finch to the Rockets staff, according to both persons familiar with the talks, but it is unclear if Finch would have been designated as the head coach in waiting. Finch led the Vipers to the 2009-10 NBA Development League championship and to this season’s D-League Finals. Morey has been unwilling to discuss the disagreements that led to Adelman’s departure. “We agreed to keep those conversations to ourselves,” Morey said last month. “We feel like we need change. I think the differences in terms of the mutual fit revolve around that.” Though there have been instances in which assistant coaches have been designated to succeed veteran coaches, in those cases the assistant was part of a staff, rather than placed on the staff by the front office. It is even more unusual given Adelman’s track record. He moved to eighth in career coaching wins and had the best winning percentage as Rockets coach in franchise history. His assistants – Turner, Jack Sikma, T.R. Dunn and R.J. Adelman – had been on Adelman’s staff in all four seasons in Houston. Turner was a Sacramento assistant under Adelman for six seasons, Dunn for four seasons. Sikma, who interviewed for the Rockets head coaching position last week, was an assistant coach in Seattle for four seasons. R.J. Adelman had been an advance scout for the Kings and SuperSonics before joining his father in Houston. The insistence on putting a successor on Adelman’s staff would not be a part of the current coaching search because the Rockets are not expected to choose a coach late in his career. They could, however, seek to place Finch or another coach with a player development background on a new coach’s staff. Finch is not expected to be a candidate for the head coaching position with the Rockets apparently seeking a coach with experience as an NBA head or assistant coach.
Way to jump to conclusions. #1 I never said that Morey coached or even told Adelman what to do. However, if you think that Morey or a GM cannot have a vision for how he wants the franchise ran, you are dead wrong. Morey relied heavily of metrics and on large amounts of data. Adelman did not, and was not especially interested in it (which is funny considering he insisted the Wolves hire a stats guy after he left Houston). If you do not see a disconnect, then I don't know what to tell you. The coach and GM need to be on the same page. If you have a GM bringing in one type of player, and a coach not utilizing them, or wanting a different style, then there are real issues. #2 The Rockets offered Adelman an extension, and he did not accept it. Of course this is after Adelman grumbled to the press about trades, about not getting an extension earlier and about how the team he had was not the one he expected. #3 It is all good though, Rick got to hire son #1 David as an assistant coach, and tried like hell to get son #2 JR hired as an assistant, but even the Wolves raised an eyebrow. If you want Adelman back, okay... that is your opinion. However to say the Rockets did let him come back is false. Ultimately he wanted more money and more control and he got that in Minnesota, at least until Kahn lost his neck. #4 Money played a big part in Adelman willing to work for a man he personally hated (Kahn).
