Yawn, at least you're talking about something you understand now. Middle relief is important, and I'm sure the yanks organization would be nowhere without all of tis members, down to the janitors in the front office, yadda yadda, but it ain't exactly Derek Jeter or Babe Ruth we're talking about here. Of course, it's kind of funny that Jose Canseco is "not prominent" when hitting 20+ home runs for the Red sox but a journeyman reliever (who used to play for the RED SOX) out of the bullpen for the yankees is a national celebrity and a household name that George Mitchell is seeking to discredit as part of his anti-yankee propaganda conspiracy. Talk about appearnce ofbiases. You're right, I don't closely follow the Yankees. But one doesn't have to follow the Yankees to know that your allegations of a multimillion dollar conspiracy theory are completely asinine and not well founded.
I think I can safely say that Yankee and Red Sox fans know as much about each other's teams as we know our own, and Jose was not an integral part. Stanton played for the Sox but on the downside of his career and never made anywhere close the impact he made as a Yankee reliever. I agree with you. I said I know I'm whining. I don't rmemeber saying that this was a gigantic conspiracy though, did I? I think I talked more about the inappropriateness of hiring George Mitchell to do this. I think he did a good job and treated the Yanks fairly, I just don't think he was as tough on the Sox as he was on the rest of baseball. ok when you're done trying to show far you can piss, maybe you can review my prior posts to other people and with you and tell me where I said it was a conspiracy to discredit only the Yankees.
Where was Jose Lima's name? I know someone had to have been passing some his way...and he continued passing it on to someone else close to him... Spoiler Those things just don't get like that by themselves!
You are arguing that an internal investigation is biased and the report is a pro-Red Sox anti Yankees hatchet job - in fact you pronouned the entire thing a "joke" I believe. You don't understand what an internal investigation is or what it entails, and you continue to posit new hypothesis about them despite this, I am educating you on this. If you were afraid of being made to look silly you should have kept quiet. PS, Mike Stanton had TWO stints with Boston, the first occurring PRIOR to his coming to the Yankees. So much for how much of a beloved Yankees idol he was when you don't know rudimentary details of his career. Mike Stanton. MISTER YANKEE!!!
keep in mind that this list is probably the tip of the iceberg. this is the names they received from sources who were willing to talk. i have no doubt in my mind that sosa took steroids as did a whole bunch of other players that aren't this thing. it's good for your name not to be on here but it by no means makes everyone else innocent.
if I dont think all the teams are being treated the same, then yes I think it's a joke. I'm sorry if this somehow offends you. I wasn't aware that I needed a PhD on a specific subject to comment about it. Perhaps you should have taken that into consideration before you started talking about the impact of Knoblauch or Stanton and I'm educating you on the Yankees. You made some comments about them based purely on the fact that you probably never heard too much about them and now you're being taught that what you thought was wrong. I thank you for the lesson on internal investigations, I hope you also thank me likewise for the lesson on the Yankees. And Sam this ain't D&D, not everything needs to turn into a pissing match so quickly next time I follow the unis. I honestly don't remember seeing him pitching against us early in his career.
yes. if you disagree with him it does offend him and it also means you are stupid. Then he will insult you. No doubt a master-debater
It doesn't take a master debater to not stake out a stupid position that you later have to kind of sort of back away from by creating a diversion, as is presently happening. Fish in a barrel.
this strikes me as funny, because it seems the presumption of being in this report is guilty. that's what bothers me about the report. as much as Mitchell kept saying, "I don't want this to be a witch hunt or to be about punishing the past" it can't help but have that effect. Clemens, for example, will never get a real forum to defend himself from these claims....and I've read at least one HOF voter today who said Clemens does not belong in the Hall, now.
more proof that none of us are perfect or perfectly evil. if you didn't get that message from the movie, Crash, you might have gotten it today.
old but funny tidt..errbits about her...gives new meaning to the phrase "It's Lima Time" around the watercooler (read the responses to the story) http://mostlymets.golddave.com/?p=471
He did have the opportunity to talk to the Mitchell investigators but chose not to. The player's union response coming up soon is going to be interesting here.
I can't believe these guys wrote checks to there drug dealers! They all knew the substances were banned. What was the point in leaving a paper trail? I don't really have a lot of sympathy for people who left tangible proof incriminating them... also..yeah..there were a lot of yankees on the list. no surprise there. i'd do anything not to end up on the back of the post every day with a retared headline under my picture. I bet isaiah thomas would take steroids if it would get him outta the tabloids gutter!!!!!! btw. who are the red sox that ended up on the list??????
see thats the problem here...I admit that I was whining about Mitchell because I was frustrated, and try to throw you an olive branch, but you simply shove it back in my face by making some silly statement about me making a diversion. shrug have it your way. I was whining about Mitchell, and you were wrong about your perceived knowledge of the Yankees. fair enough? or is this post going to lead to more accusations of diversionary tactics?
I don't think there are any current ones at all actually. I wonder how many baseball fans are looking at that fact right now.
he's usually not this bad. I don't have too many run ins with him. I' not sure why he's acting like I caled him an idiot or something. ah well, everyone has a bad day.
You want me to admit that Chuck Knoblauch and Mike Stanton are treasured Yankee Icons like Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth or Don Mattingly or Derek Jeter or even Bernie Williams? In fact if you had to make "Top 20 Yankees" of the past 15 years, it's arguable that either would even merit inclusion. However, even if you were correct on this otherwise meaningless tangent, and Knoblauch and Stanton are headed for Legends Corner, it wouldn't make your basic point about the report being a fraud any less absurd. Sorry but I know enough about the Yankees to know that that is simply not true. Chucky Brown was a valuable member of the 1995 Rockets - was he up there with Hakeem and Clyde? No.
I didn't have time to read the actual report, or the other threads...but was Bagwell on the list or wasn't he? I saw some threads locked up in the local sports section, but just thought they were locked up b/c they were duplicates. But I wasn't sure if he was or wasn't on the list.
