Oh you're a genius, none of us were talking about a PF that can shoot to START. JVG isn't talking about getting a PF who can shoot to start either. You're a confused guy. Padgett was great because he stretched the game, a change of pace, this is what JVG was talking about. He wasn't talking about a starter. You're an idiot.
well, if he can do all of these things u mentioned (post up, play D, block, rebound and knock down 3 pointers), I'd take him anytime of the year.. just give me one and I'll take him.. shooting for PFs is just a bonus .. it extends their playing level... it improves their dimensions and their value.. but having a PF who can shoot, and that's it , is pretty stupid... the biggest example is JHO, he is a great midrange shooter, but he sucks so bad in everything else,, and that's why we lose when he plays .... and one more thing, in a team that has 2 great, EXPENSIVE superstar.. u cant afford another SUPER PF with the qualities u mentioned.. we need an average PF who can hit the boards and clean up the superstar's trash (missed shots) ...
what the hell is he talking about then ???? please man.. actually, u r the idiot, not me... u dont want a starter.. well, what do u want ?? a back up for JHO ?? or a bench warmer ???
We were talking about a PF with the role of SCOTT PADGETT. He was a great bench player for us and it is what we lacked the whole 05-06 year. This is what JVG is talking about. We missed Padgett's role this season. Noone could hit a THREE. Yeah... "u r the idiot", how ironic is that.
Very good commentary by JVG, not quiet as smooth as Doug Collins, but will get there the more games he works in. Solid job...
We could benefit from a player like Rasheed Wallace. He's an average rebounder, can block shots, and he's a shooter with range. He can nail those 3s. Even though Sheed may not be the best rebounder, he can help on the offensive end. Do we really need a PF that can only rebound and clean up the superstar's trash? Our team lacks shooters - having a PF that can shoot well and does everything else average would be good enough. No JHO isn't good enough. Two expensive superstars? I know McGrady gets paid a lot (around 15 million?) - but Yao only makes around 5 million a year - that's not really expensive for a superstar.
Some of you "rookies" need to calm down with the "you're an idiot" comments. This isn't an ESPN board. Only admins/moderators get to call people idiots.
u know what, every time u post a new stupid post, I realize how big of an idiot u r ( no offense, I dont like using this kinda language, but u started with that, I respect others opinions as long as they do the same thing)... first, what do u mean by "we were talking..".. ?? when and with whom were u talking about a PF of the role of Padgett ??.. JVG was talking about the value of a good shooting PF.. I said we need to focus on getting a real 4 first then thinking about extra stuff like shooting... then u went crazy on me calling me an idiot and mentioning the best Power forwards in basketball (Horry, Bullard, and Padgett)... now, u are saying that the whole conversation was about a role bench player like padgett.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. our biggest concern right now is to fill up the 4 spot because JHO sucks.. we need a "real" starting PF ( and for the 10th time, real means rebound, blocks, post ups, and DUNKS).... Swift would be good IF, AND THAT'S A BIG IF, if he puts effort... so leave opinions and disagreements aside, and please be a little respectful and dont call people idiots if u dont even know what they are talking about..
I didn't say Horry, Bullard, and Padgett were the best power forwards. I'm saying a role player such as Padgett can be really useful for any team to stretch the O with Yao Ming in the middle. JHo and Swift are going to be hard to trade. You were acting like I was saying Padgett was a real good superstar. If you knew what I meant, I mentioned Padgett because he was a really good role player for us last year and we didn't have his three-point shooting this year which we sorely needed.
thank u.. now u r starting to make some sense ... that's a good way to reply to somebody, not by attacking him and calling him an idiot.. and i agree with u , Padgett did pretty well with us and he is one of the reasons why we were in the playoffs last year... but lets face it, we can win a championship with him as our PF.. to win, we need a real PF (for definition, refer to my old post).. a player like Padgett will be good for a back up PF.. so first, lets settle our starting Pf, then, we can think about JVG's good shooting PFs for backup...
Ugh, I'm not saying he would be our one and only sole PF. Why do you keep saying "Padgett is only good for back-up" like i'm arguing he should be our starter? I've said a million times he was a great "role player" who would "stretch the O" and "change the pace". You still don't understand, forget it.
first, I am sorry, I forgot the ('t) in cant in my last post..(but lets face it, we can win a championship with him as our PF) second, I wasn't trying to argue with u when I was talking about Padgett,.. it wasn't actually intended to u... all I am saying is lets solve our problems first at starting 4 then we can look at the dang good shooting PF... and please, I am done with u...
Yes. A range-shooting 4 like Padgett would be helpful. What really irks me is that we had Padge, and JVG dumped him. Van Gundy now admits he was wrong, and it's good that he's honest enought to admit it. But he's supposed to be an NBA head coach! Shouldn't he know things like that beforehand? Shouldn't he accept responsibility for screwing up and resign? People have been fired for making far milder mistakes. JVG himself has certainly fired his share of people for far less reason (look at Padge). I suggest that JVG should apply to himself the same standard that he applies to his players.
To be fair, no one thought three point shooting would be our biggest issue this year. Remember last year, we needed rebounding, athleticism and youth. And like it or not, CD got us exactly that and everyone was praising him for it. We just had some bad luck. Rafer turned out to be a bad three point shooter. (And I never remembered him being this bad in toronto and miami) Wesley was off his game for the longest time. Barry was injured the whole year. DA couldn't make a shot either. These were all guys we counted on to make threes and they didn't produce. Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. Yes we needed the 4 who could shoot but come on, I think most of us took our three point shooting for granted and didn't think to much about losing padgett. Yes we thought it sucked and yes we realized he was a good three point shooter but no one in their right mind thought that he was this important.
For the fellow members who are discussing Padget:- Padgett was and still is an inconsistant roll player, who can sometimes hit an open 3 point shot. While with the Rockets JVG tried to get him to attempt other things and his game was diminished. JVG dosen't like specialists or rookies. JVG has a short memory, especially about Padgets ability and how much/little he contributed to the success of the team.
