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JVG: He's to blame

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by W-Mac, Jan 18, 2007.

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  1. Almu

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    Its so nice to see you again, EDC...the team must obviously be in a mini-slump so that we can be graced with your presence.

    Tell me, how were you during the Rocket hot streak a couple of weeks ago? Went fishing? Vacation timed just right? Year end business close keeps you at work late with no time to post?

    We missed you! Don't be a stranger when the team is healthy again, ok? :)
     
  2. DonkeyMagic

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    fiction can be fun.


    the lead was lost b/c shots stopped falling. dont try to complicate things with a vendetta against the coach

    how many coaches would have played those teams that close with their best players not playing?
     
  3. W-Mac

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    but when guys shots arent falling, except for mcgrady i guess, change something up...thats the coaches job, right? for him to continue to let them settle for outside jumpers and keep the same guys on the court means he's to blame too.
     
  4. DonkeyMagic

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    but when guys shots arent falling, except for mcgrady i guess, change something up...thats the coaches job, right? for him to continue to let them settle for outside jumpers and keep the same guys on the court means he's to blame too

    you play the guys that give you the best chance and i think that was done. Afterall, those guys got the leads right.

    let them settle for jumpers? players play and they take the shots they want or they create. despite popular belief, jvg lets his players play on offense. Plus, i highly doubt that jvg said "yeah...uhhmm, you know...lets shoot more outside jumpers'.

    its a lose lose situation for coach. Either people say he controls the offense too much or that he isnt controlling it enough.

    Bottom line, the rox were in position to win those games and thats all you can ask from a coach. at some point the players have to finish the job
     
  5. OddsOn

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    Uhm.....the reason we lost those two games is we stopped playing defense.

    I sick and tired of seeing these whiney ass threads.......grow up people; its not a perfect world.
     
  6. W-Mac

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    Wrong! Snyder didnt play either game...and dont tell me that he's out of shape either. He had a broken wrist so he could have still ran to stay in shape.
    Bonzi played against the Suns and didnt get much PT. Where was he against Dallas? Oh, he was cleared to play but JVG left him on the inactive list.

    Snyder and Bonzi are big guards which is exactly what this team has been lacking. They can be significant pieces to this team...."but they have to work their way back into the rotation because Rafer and JLIII are just tearing it up out there"....blah blah blah
     
  7. DonkeyMagic

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    snyder is still not 100% and is sick with an infection.
    bonzi is still not bonzi

    i was referring to the guys contributing on a regular basis.
     
  8. SWTsig

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    purely speculation and accusations on your part....

    of course we cant tell you that snyder wasn't ready to play, because you've already made up your mind that he was; regardless of whant anyone will tell you.... especially JVG.

    the sooner you realize that you don't know ****, that you actually have no f*cking idea why JVG didn't play them, and that you have no earthly clue as to what is actually going on in the locker room...... the better.
     
  9. dookiester

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    i also don't agree with blaming coaches for every game, but you can blame the coach when the performance on a game to game basis reflects a larger trend that doesn't maximize the team's talents. i think the trend for jvg teams is that defense is the end all be all, because we have at times looked absolutely inept on offense even when both yao and tmac, two dominant offensive forces, were healthy. i credit jvg for being a master at X's and O's and getting this team to play hard nosed basketball. i truly doubt, however, his ability to grasp the non-technical aspects of this game. there are weaknesses to his philosophical approach to the game. they aren't necessarily wrong, but i dont think they maximize this team's talents.

    when yao and tmac are in the game, we seem content to launch 3s. yes, they are good looks, and yes, you want to take the open shot. but you don't do that for an ENTIRE game, you have to continue to attack the defense, and launching 3's is not an attack (unless you're the phoenix suns). further, when yao and tmac are not available, we can not continue to use the same game plan. i would prefer to see jvg DEMAND that his players take the ball inside and put the pressure on the defense, rather than take what the defense gives you. i would say this should be done even when yao and tmac are in the game. i think you can be the aggressor on offense and still play solid defense. a continuous attack mode on offense will help your defense by forcing your opponent to play harder on their end. passing the ball on the perimeter and launching 3s, or isoing tmac or yao every time down, lets the defense rest, anticipate what is going on, and prepare themselves for the attack on the other end.

    defense is an area where jvg excels because it is a fundamental, technical area of the game. jvg struggles to get the most offensively because he lacks the creativity and the philosophical mindset that we ARE a strong offensive team that should be putting the OTHER team on their heels, rather than being the team waiting for an attack and bearing down on defense. honestly, who would ever have thought that a team with both tmac and yao ming could EVER have trouble scoring on any given night? there is really no way a team with both of those players should be stuck in the mud on offense.
     
  10. W-Mac

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    haha...you crack me up SWT! That could be said for EVERYONE on this board you deuche.

    This is a message board....its all about speculating and dogging players/coaches. its about people giving their opinions...like it or not. F*cking get over it!
     
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    given the injuries and the rockets current position in the west, i think jvg has maximized the rockets talent.

    we are all fans, but lets be honest here. Outside of yao, tmac and battier (i guess you could throw bonzi in there but hes barely played) the rockets are not an overly talented team. they have some good role players and likable guys that bust their butt, but pure talent wise they are lacking compared to the teams that are ahead of the rockets. At least until some players start to pick up their game and take it to another level.
     
  12. DonkeyMagic

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    but i think people are overlooking whats important. Despite injuries and a tough early season schedule, the rockets have a top 10 record in the league (6th in winning %).

    if you were told that at the beginning of the year, would you not be happy?
     
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    come up with a solution then!!!

    i'm sick of people just bashing on JVG. yes i see why one might question, but it's like things are going ****ty so you blame him? there are of sh!tload of other factors in every organization and the GM and players have just as much to do with the outcome of every season as the coach does.

    tmac and yao support jvg - so why don't we trust them? all the veteran guys on our team are respectful of jvg and tell the younger guys they should appreciate having him as their coach.

    if JVG sucks so bad, then who do you think the rockets can get that would do a better job?? if you can come up with someone better i'd love to hear it cause overall, JVG is the best shot we've got.

    yeah i'd rather have kobe than tmac, but we can't get kobe and tmac is pretty damn good. do you see my point? the same thinking applies with JVG.

    good, now STFU unless you have a better idea.
     
  14. W-Mac

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    JVG needs to come up with something different if what he's doing now isnt working....thats all im saying! Its like he has no confidence what so ever in our bench guys, minus Luther and MAYBE Bonzi. OK, getting beat by Dallas and Suns, even though we blew leads in the 2nd half is somewhat understandable....but Denver at HOME? :mad:

    Try changing the rotation a little....cut Rafer's mins and let Mac run the point. Mac, Bonzi, Snyder/Head, Battier and Howard....why not give that rotation a chance?

    Not only im I trying to figure something out for NOW, but what about our rookies? When are they going to ever develope? When will we find out how good Snyder can be in this league? Can Spanoulis handle the pressure of the NBA? All of these questions are going to have to be figured out sometime....why not now?
     
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    The rockets are winning despite JVG, not because of him.
     
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    because this is not rebuilding mode. this is championship mode. rox are not playing for 4 years down the line, they are playing to win now
     
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    It's not JVG's fault, the team's had injury problems over the past few seasons.

    I think he's gotten the most out of our players through times when we've been healthy and times we've been hurt.

    He's doing a fine job IMO.
     
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    You do know that we had a nice 9-2 spurt after Yao went down. Why weren't you complaining about changing the game plan then?

    I don't believe that the Rockets are suddenly losing because of the game plan, rather that they don't execute the game plan in the final stage: the shot. It's always when the basketball goes into the net that when your team adds another 2 points to the total. Shots are simply not falling for us (hello O-fer) and shots were falling for the opponent. There is absolutely no way that JVG would've know Devean Brown would suddenly become hot during the fourth quarter.

    JVG is sticking to his rotation because he knows it can succeed against 'worthy' opponents (Lakers, Jazz) and defeat the East.
     
  19. Almu

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    Hee, hee, hee.

    Like the Jordan Bulls and the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and the Pistons two years ago and the Rockets in 94-95....lol!

    Coaches are SO, SO overrated.
     
  20. W-Mac

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    yea you're right this is a "win now" situation....because JVG is in the final year of his contract

    just because you play rookies doesnt mean that your team is in "rebuilding mode." you work them in here-and-there and let them get somewhat of a feel for the NBA...because eventually they might have to play in a meaningful situation.
     
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