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Jordan: 'I could have scored 100 points' in today's NBA

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ktbballplaya, Oct 14, 2010.

  1. wekko368

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    Of course physical play makes a difference. Over the course of a game, it'll make you expend more energy and disrupt your rhythm.
     
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    Except no defense will play the way you're describing.

    Even when Kobe hit 81, he was largely single-covered.
     
  3. goodbug

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    Kobe bested the entire Mavs team 62:61 after 3 quarters.
    They already led by 30 points by that time.

    He didn't play the 4th quarter, but if he did, what else do you think will happen? I am sure Mavs had the goal he couldn't get more points than the entire team for the game. That's why getting a high point game 60+ is so much harder nowadays.

    At the old time you can't prevent a low post player from receiving the ball. You just can't double him without the ball. And he can just shoot, right after receiving it. Nothing you can do, you can't even get a double team in place before he shot.


     
  4. goodbug

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    Because that game was close until last few minutes. Most high points game in old time wasn't. Like Robinson's, like Wilt's 100

     
  5. wekko368

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    So you think the Mavs are content with him scoring 60, but not 80? Ridiculous.

    The Mavs would've stuck with their game plan of doubling, zoning, and trapping. I highly doubt they would've kept 2-3 defenders on him at all times.


    I dont think you realize how quick and athletic prime Jordan was. If he wanted the ball, he would simply go get it.
     
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    The league is a lot different today, too. When Kobe had Odom as his second best player, he played a team that had Steve Nash and role players in the first round. When MJ had a rookie Oakley, he played a team that had five Hall of Famers in Bird, McHale, Parrish, Johnson, and Walton.
     
  7. wekko368

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    Nope. My point is you will never see a defense continually double team an offensive perimeter player, especially if he doesn't have the ball.
     
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    It is useless discussing anything with this guy. He nitpicks stats and makes absolutely ridiculous conclusions from stats and situations that are preposterous in his usage to support his mis placed arguments and conclusions. Anyone using the arguments of this guy will make even Moochie Norris GOAT if he sets his mind to it.

    Kinda like Bush and the Iraq WMD's. Despite all the info and evidence to the contrary Bush still insisted that the Iraqi's have WMD's and embellished his incredible conclusions by adding that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.

    The guy has it in his head that Kobe is the GOAT or whatever and everybody and all evidence be damned. He would manipulate and pick and choose stats and evidence to support his crap.

    Again, it is useless arguing with this guy, it is like talking to a lamp post or one of those crazies who spout bible passages to people strolling in parks.
     
  9. albuster

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    I was posting about goodbug by the way and was just relaying my thoughts to you Wekko. Sorry if there was any mis understanding.
     
  10. ubigred

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    He would not score 100 points.

    His highest point total for his career was 69 and that was an ovetime game.

    HE WOULD NOT SCORE 100 points !!!
     
  11. goodbug

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    If Kobe's winning sub 40 games like MJ did in his early years, he won't make playoff in west at all. How good the best team was would be totally irrelevant.

    How about MJ couldn't make playoff without Pippen? That would be true in today's league.

     
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    Mavs were down maybe 10points at half time, Kobe got 32 at that point and the game wasn't out of reach. They certainly could play whatever the way gave them the best chance to win. Once down 30 points on the road after 3 quarter, it's garbage time and the goal can be totally different.


     
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    Amen to that! I used to think goodbug was just a troll but, after seeing him post his wall of propaganda ad infinitum, it's become clear he's just a looney whose religion is Kobe Bryant. Just take him with a grain of salt and ridicule him when possible, and the board takes on an entirely new (enjoyable) dimension.
     
  14. goodbug

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    You sound like a Christian defending God created the world in 7 days, despite Dinosaur and all other pre-history animals were never documented anywhere in Bible.

    Even if the evidence is against you, it's all about religious belief. Look, he's god, he can do whatever he wants and it's out of question.


     
  15. goodbug

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    You've been in this sour loser tone since finals. Personal attack is always the cheap and easy fallback solution when you don't have an argument.

     
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    You will never see an offense that one player taking all the shots in NBA. If that's the case as you describe how MJ could do it, that's the defense he's gonna see.

     
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    When Kobe scored 81, he had 46 FGA and 20 FTA....and he was single covered.

    Yet you think that if Jordan has 65 FGA, he will have 3 defenders on him at all times?

    Get real.
     
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    You do realize 65 FGA is 30% more shots than 46 right? And a game normally have around 90-100 possessions. Take away TOs, typically one team have around 80-90 possesions they can shoot.

    46+10 = 56 of 80-90 is a high % but the teammates are still involved. 65 + 12 = 77 of 80-90 is really single handed and whether one can find that many shots is highly doubtful to begin with. And if he does, everybody can see what's going on and the coach will adjust.

    MJ normally takes 22-3 shots, 65 is 3 times of more shots. You are talking like a guy running Marathon can easily run 3 Marathons in a row at the same speed.

     
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    As someone stated before, when we're talking about outliers, its best to use other outliers as points of reference.

    Yet all your arguments are based on some sort of "average" that Jordan had. That's why they're all wrong.

    You need to realize that if Jordan were to score 100 pts, a lot of different variables would have to occur. His teammates would have to willingly defer to him. He'd have to face a scrub team. He goal would be to score 100 pts instead of winning the game. And he'd have to sacrifice his defensive efforts to conserve energy on offense.

    Then you need to consider the fact that he would go to the line more simply b/c more touch fouls are called in today's game. And with the way Jordan attacked the basket, the defense would be in the penalty pretty quickly. Which means Jordan would shoot more free throws. Which means the game would be slowed down and Jordan would have more chances to shoot.
     
  20. goodbug

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    The other outliers of MJ, his highest points games without OT. Coming off the same year the league had the fastest pace in last 40 years, the league also had highest average in last 40 years. Now that average is 10% smaller.

    If you think the odds of an outlier has nothing to do with the mean, you know nothing about stats. A player averages 50 is way more likely to have a 100 game than a player averages 40, as pace slows down, the average goes down as well. It's less likely to get an outlier like that in today's league.

    And as I said many times, a slow-pace game with lots of FT doesn't yield high point total. Just compare playoff with regular seasons game, half court game, slow pace, physical and lots of fouls, that's playoff. Does playoff game yield more points?

    You are making many false assumptions and your conclusion is not worth debating.


     

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