dude, i think the interwebs is becoming bad for your health dude. Your spending a big portion of your life on one subject(fear mongering of Muslims) on a basketball forum of a team that is not even in your country
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Muslim is not a race so....... I don't come in this forum that much, but ATW doesn't seem as bad as some of the others. Being called an idiot or cousin or Islamist (whatever the hell that is) = being called Hitler or fuhrer? umm.. okay.
It's all relative. Hitler killed 6 million Jewish people. That's horrendous, probably among the worst things that has ever happened in recorded history.. But if in someone's head, Islamist refers to a people who want to rape women, execute homosexuals, enslave non-Muslims, and impose shariah law by force on the entire population of earth at any cost including the murder of any civilians even remotely connected to a non-Islamist country... then frankly I'd rather be Hitler.
You know what he meant Well then you don't know how big of a prick he really is If I called your wife an Islamist repeatedly and kept hurling insults, you would eventually get irked enough to escalate an insult back at me, probably something much worse...
dude he has publicly admitted on this board that he thinks some people who post on this board are Islamic extremists.
my bad.. i meant bigot.... check out the dude's post history. Its nothing besides Islam and extremism.
And why do you define "Islamist" like that? Why this irrational hate against Islam? Here are some definitions from the web: http://www.google.com/search?num=10...t&sa=X&ei=pcgPTdGFMI208QPk46WBBw&ved=0CBYQkAE a scholar who is knowledgeable in Islamic studies an orthodox Muslim Islamism (Islam+-ism; إسلام سياسي al-Islām al-Siyāsiyy, lit., "Political Islam") is a set of ideologies holding that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system; that modern Muslims must return to their roots of their religion, and unite politically. islamism - a fundamentalist Islamic revivalist movement generally characterized by moral conservatism and the literal interpretation of the Koran and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all aspects of life Strange, your "definition" was not to be found anywhere outside your head and your post. However, I would say that the above accepted definitions from various sources on the web characterize you and some of the more overtly angry muslim posters on the site pretty well, given their and your posting history.
No, because I think that a literal interpretation of the quran is silly and dangerous (just like a literal interpretation of the bible is silly and dangerous), I think that orthodox/fundamentalist followers of any religion are most likely more intolerant of other beliefs than moderates (which has been demonstrated a lot here by said orthodox posters, even within this thread, and even within islam itself). I also think that religion and state need to be separated, which is not what islamists think, who want to implement islamic values (as they perceive them to be) in every facet of everyday life by implementing sharia law. None of that is positive, from my point of view. But that's what I said: Depending on where you stand, you might actually say it is a compliment.
Here is my question, you live in Germany correct? Where there is separation of church and state and you are posting on a message board who's audience are for the most part living in the US and are US citizens where separation of church and state is very common and made sure that it is thoroughly implemented on a daily basis. Therefore I really don't see this issue effecting any of the two countries that you are directly involved with right now. Yes you can come back with some irrelevant links of how a minority group is trying to impose their religion/beliefs on the residents, but it truly is not as bad as you make it out to be. These kinds of small groups exist everywhere and in every religion and for the most part people tend to ignore them (just look at this message board for that example) no matter how much you try to argue against it. So how is what you just said relevant to you as a German citizen and to me as a US citizen because in both countries separation of church and state is a staple belief?
This is a good question. There is no imminent risk in both countries that the separation of church and state is overthrown by these groups, you are correct about that. However, certain attitudes (e.g. about women) pervade every facet of life - islamists do not only want to abolish the separation of church and state, their everyday actions are influenced by their perceived moral values. And considering that there are millions of muslims in Germany, some of whom you would consider orthodox, I do have exposure to their attitudes and their actions resulting therefrom. Also, I don't just look at my own country. There are millions of Turks in Germany, and they are a lot more conservative than the average Turk in a big city in Turkey. Now look at Turkey. Separation of church and state was a staple belief - but islamist fanatic Erdogan and his followers have eroded that, and they are clearly trying to convert Turkey into a sharia law country. You don't think that has effects on the attitudes of Turks in Germany? Erdogan came to Germany and told the people of Turkish origin that "assimilation is a crime" and other stuff like that. So I cannot just ignore the islamist threat to western freedoms, just because they are not in an imminent position to change laws in Germany. It's like with other fascist ideologies: You have to identify the threat early on and expose it before it can spread more and more. Hope that answers your question.
Do you know what the general consensus of the Turkish citizens is regarding this matter? It could be that this is what majority of the citizens of Turkey want and if the Turkish living in Germany want that, I know for a fact it would be much easier for them to move back to Turkey than to try to change the German law, so again I don't think this is a matter of concern to you.
