Right now, I only put Duncan on that list as a franchise player for a championship-caliber team. Lebron can't get into the playoff, T-mac had that 17, 18 game losing streak, Kobe can't get into the playoff after Shaq, KG first-round out material, Shaq was on that list 3 years ago, now his time is over, especially with the zone rule. Check Shaq's numbers, he is declining both with his age and with the rule change. There is only one franchise player right now in the NBA, Duncan. All the rest of them need help.
This is certainly not true. You can make the argument that Yao is actually under-paid with that contract even with his current production on the court, 19-9. Remember after the collective bargaining agreement, max contract has a ceiling, therefore the contract amount is not subject to market supply and demand. If there is no ceiling for the max contract, I am 100% that Yao will command a huge premium over the current max contract on the open market.
That is why he is NOT a franchise player. Yao should not allow the refs to determine his fate. THE TRUTH IS: 1. If Yao wasn't Chinese , the general consensus would be NO. 2. If Yao didn't play for the rockets, the overall consensus would be NO.
THE TRUTH IS: You have a weak argument. 1. I'm not Chinese and I think that Yao is a franchise player. Why do you have to bring ethnicity up? I know you said "overall" but you are assuming that most clutchfans members are Chinese. Do you have proof to this? 2. If Yao didn't play for the Rockets, I would still think he is a franchise player. Saying that those that think he is a franchise player only because Yao is a Rocket is implying that Clutchfans members can not be objective. I take offense to that.
no i am not assuming everyone is Chinese. But Yao being chinese , is the foundation to his marketing.
Shaq is getting owned by Diaw right now too! Can all the people who were on Yao's ass because of that apologize now?
I'm confused I thought this tread was made to evaluate the impact of a basketball player on the basketball court. What does "Yao being Chinese ... the founation to his marketing" have anything to do with Yao being considered a franchise player by some or not?
Bizarre arguments and totally unsubstantiated. It's simple really, for what most teams in the league would give up for him, and then how they would treat him once they had him...it's obvious...he's a franchise player. I don't think you could find any GMs who would have said anything to the contrary, and you have reports of teams that where preparing to make franchise-player-like attempts to get Yao before Houston locked him up. As for what he ultimately can or cannot be...he may never be a showy as a shaq...but he has the potential to have as great an impact. Remember that it took Hakeem years to get to his championship form. Yao is still improving, and even at this stage he impacts games in ways that are not obvious from stats or even to some who watch the games. I don't understand the purpose for threads like these anyway...part semantics...who cares?
In terms of Shaq, he is not a franchise player any more by Sagehare6's definition. With Wade out, he can not carry the team, even can not score. The Miami game together is a good example. Yao was doing much better with T-Mac out than Shaq was with Wade out. Moreover, Miami's supporting cast is way much better than Rockets'.
Proof?! He has to come from some country, whether he's Chinese, Russian, or American, as long as he's 7'6 and humble, works hard, shoots the ball well, and doesn't have to be the No. 1 guy on any team, people will like him, which is the foundation of marketing. If he's American, he will be even bigger. Nobody says everyone has to consider him Franchise player, this is a free world, you can consider yourself franchise of everything in the world all you want to, because adults will understand there are people deperately seeking for attention. However, if most of the GMs would love to give him a max, most of the coaches love to coach him, most of the current superstars want to play with him, including TMac, Kobe, AI and Kidd, he is a franchise player. Their views weigh more than mine or yours, coz they are the top ones in this basketball thing, and proved that. NBA never show anything that they love Chinese, but they love Yao, therefore, it's not because of his nationality. Lots of people find you annoying, but people don't generally hate Chinese, so your being annoying has nothing to do whether you are Chinese or not. You got that simple logic?
it doesn't matter whether he is Chinese , black or white. Yao is Yao and he is not a true franchise player. Only an idiot cant see that Yao being Chinese is the foundation of his marketing ability. Yao isn't even the best player on his team....you guys make me ahahahah I am truly unbiased.
This thread is about whether Yao is a franchise player abilitywise in the game. Only an idiot would bring the race and marketing ability into this discussion. First and foremost you need to learn to post in the appropriated thread. If you really want to talk about the marketing issue, go there: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=106914
Well not quite. We've have a few classics (which should be a head's up for ubigred if the thread takes this kind of turn...)
ok fine then....based on Yao's ability i dont think he is a franchise player. He is a very good complimentary player. Why is everyone bashing me...I just dont think he is a franchise player.
