How much will KPjr make per year on the next deal?

I like him around the 10 to 12 million a year with the later years being less guaranteed.

KPJ is a great talent, however I don't think he can become a PG. He is a pure scorer (JR Smith type) and would kill it if he came off the bench. Now can he mentally accept coming off the bench? Not sure.

 

Yeah I go mostly by Ast%
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/

We can throw out
Newman (played 1 game)
Mudiay (2)
Harper (5)
Carlik Jones (5)
Ayayi (7)
Paige (1)

I keep Doncic/Harden more or less PG but kick out Beal.

Player / Ast%
1) Doncic 45.8
2) Fultz 44.8
3) Trae Young 44.2
4) CP3 43.4
5) Harden 40.1
6) DeJounte Murray 38.8 (league better watch out for Hawks w/ Trae&Murray)
7) Garland 37.8
8) Rondo 36.6
9) Rubio 34.3
10) LaMelo 34.1
11) Kris Dunn 33.9
12) Haliburton 33.5 (Kings are dumb)
13) Morant 33.0
14) Giddey 32.5
15) Lillard 32.1 (probably throw him out too like Beal... more SG than PG)
16) DeAngelo 32.0
17/18/19) Ish Smith 31.8, Cameron Payne 31.3, *Sharife Cooper 31.3 *better than TyTy
20) Dennis Smith jr 31.1
21) Russell Westbrook 31.1
22) Kevin Freakin Porter 30.2

Behind Porter
Jrue Holiday 29.7
S Gilgeous-Alexander 29.3 (makes $30.9M this year)
Steph Curry 28.6 ($48M)
Tyus Jones 28.6 ($15M)
Oladipo 28.5 ($8.7M)
Brogdon 27.1 ($22.6M)
Dinwiddle 27.0 ($20.2M)

Yeah I'm on record that I would pay the man $16M to $18M since I factor
in all that I project as far as 20 pts, 5 rebs, 7-8 Ast, around 34% in Ast% with
the additions of Bari/Tari and player maturation across the board.

At seasons end his price tag may be $25M to $30M.

But we have the money to pay the market value

If behavior is the issue....he will be on his best behavior this season.
No guarantee he won't blow up 3 or 4 years from now either.
No guarantee any player won't as well. Harden, Kawhi, Simmons, Durant
have all quit on their teams recently. Who can you trust?

 

Lol at creating an alt account to support a bum like KPJ.

 

Who did that?

Because Margrave was an alt I created about 10 years ago to post without the haters here, I got banned for a while because of it, not my best moment.

DD

 

idk what that’s about. I’ve been following these boards for over 15 years. I finally decided to join and chat. Definitely not another account of someone else here

 

My stance is that I don’t think there is any reason to try to read the market and essentially bid against yourself if you don’t have to. Unless you can negotiate a bargain basement extension, I just don’t see the logic. I think he’s got a little more to prove.

But on more of a team payroll perspective, would it really make sense to sign him now at all? I may be going off old rules, but shouldn’t the Rockets wait until next year when they have cap space? If the Rockets go into next offseason with around $70M, wouldn’t it be better to sign outside free agents with open space, then go over the cap to sign KPJ as rights holders. If they were to lock him up at $15-20M (as some have suggested), that would eat into the cap space available for other free agents. Is that still the way it works?

 

I've never done that

 

I'm at $16M to $18M which is the average of the contract, meaning year one would be around $15M. It's reported that the Rockets will have $71M to play with. Rockets would still have enough for a super max or two max deals.
That's if you can get very good players to come to Houston.

Field of Dreams.....Build the Field and they will come. If Porter has the kind of year I'm expecting
then that will attract the big fish. Uncertainty with Porter creates doubt for those free agents to be.

With TV contracts and Streaming expected to go through the roof.....everyone will have money for bidding wars. Outrageous contracts. Porter at $16M to $18M will be a bargain savvy win.

Porter wanting $20M to $25M right now......I say we might as well let the market set his pay. Again we will be risking some fool like Cuban offering Parsons type money of our time and jacking up the bid to $30M.
You do the math.....my $15M offer vs some Assinine
offer of $30M eating in to our $71M. Which is better?

 

How the hell is KPJ closer to Miles Bridges and Kyrie Irving?

It's amazing the amount of hate KPJ brings out.

What has he done Kyrie like did he just not show up for his team 50% of the time because of "mental health"?

There is a concern with every young player KPJ is not some ticking timebomb.

 

IF KPJ can keep his head on straight, he'd be a good 6th man...
I dont think he's starter quality - and i dont think he's a serviceable pg...
but he'd be a good 6th man...

if folks wanna keep trying to make him into something he's not - that's on them...

i dont know the man... i only know what i read...

imo, IF coaches feel he can keep his emotions or whatever in check... and IF he would embrace the role of 6th man... then id be good in the 10-15M/year range... maybe a bit higher if coaches really feel he's invested and not going to be a potential negative if something doesnt go his way...

jus my opinion...

 

You are correct .... but forgetting that Porter has a cap hold of $9.5m which is factored into that $71m of cap space next offseason. Without Porters cap hold the cap space increases to ~$81m.

The idea here is to sign him to a deal that's equal or lower than that cap hold ..... Otherwise it's better to wait and use your cap space first then go over the cap to resign him and I'd probably be telling his agent to bring me an offer sheet from another team since he is RFA.


I wouldn't match anything over ~$12m .... unless he has a breakout year and it translates to W's.

When you look at the stats, they aren't that good - turnover prone with terrible FT% and despite the "best catch and shoot % on 3's in the league" that's a very small sample size and he shot a very average 37.5% overall from 3 on a team that won 37 games in the two seasons he started.

Right now, I'd dangle 3/32 in front of him and if he doesn't take it, I'm willing to gamble in RFA.

 

I would offer a 3 year deal at $10-12.5M with the last year being a team option. Personally, I just can't trust a guy with his history of actions.

 

Awesome - good for you. I don't recommend it.



No excuse but there was a time on here that I posted WAY too much, I had retired early and was bored, and posted on every thread....annoyingly so......and because of that people just followed me around and trying to pick fights, so I was like...huh, I wonder how my takes would go without my notoriety - so I created Margrave, and wallah, it was refreshing not to have haters chasing you around.....but ultimately, I posted DD at the end of a Margrave post....lol....of course I did......and got banned......should have too......oh well, not my best moment as I said.

I don't post here for notoriety, I post to talk about the Rox.....with other die hard fans.......

DD

 

That contract is very close to the one Talen Horton-Tucker (a player with similar career stats to KPJ) got from the Lakers.

 

Is there really a Plan B.....other than Nix or TyTy.
Drafting seems to be our only option.

Here is a list of Point Guards (slim and nothing):
Do you want Russell Westbrook at age 35 or Kyrie at age 31?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2023/point-guard/

Player / age / last yr $
Russ Westbrook (35) $41M
Irving (31) $34M
D Russell (27) $29M
Patrick Beverley (35) $13M
Reggie Jackson (33) $10.8M
Kemba (33) $9M
Coby White (RFA....age 23) $6M
Cory Joseph (32) $5M
Ish Smith (35) $4.6M
George Hill (37)
Trey Burke (31)
Dragic (37)
Austin Rivers (31) ...

Thanks but I'll stick with Porter
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SG isn't much better
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2023/shooting-guard/

Player / age
Caris LeVert (29)
Gary Trent jr (23.5) [ player option ]
Etc, etc

People need to really check out what other PG/SG's are making!!

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And who cares about a burrito being throw against the wall!!

How much does it cost in total? $5 burritos and head maintenance guy
making $25 / hour to clean it up. $30 bucks? We are paying these guys millions!!

Has nobody seen baseball players getting a bat and knocking the heck
out of the water cooler? $15 water cooler....head maintenance guy cleaning
it up while making $25 / hr......$15 to replaced deceased water cooler!! $55 bucks!

Big freaking deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Apache, the real cost is feelings hurt...and that's priceless!!
Well boo-freakin-hoo

 

I think that kpj’s talent is around 15 mil under the currant cap which could explode over the next couple years. I’d be fine with a 4 year 60 mil with a 4th year team option. I’d probably be happier with a 2+1 with the team option. 2-3 year deal still gives us options if things go south and could end up a very good bargain. If he keeps his head on straight the price only goes up from here.

 

The projections I’ve seen are $123M for ‘22-23 and $133 for ‘23-24, which is a pretty big jump year to year, but it’s less than 10% of the overall cap. I don’t think it should significantly affect the prices of those players getting around $10M per year. A $10M per year contract would only correlate to an $11M contract with the increase, which yearly increases generally cover. It’s going to really show in the max contracts that are a percentage of the cap.

 

You don't extend low character guys.

kPJ is a low character guy, even if he plays well this season, let another team deal with the eventual headache. I would consider trading him mid-season

 

I think it’s projected to go up another 10 in 24 then the new tv deal starts in 25. That’s when I think we could see a significant jump. The nba is reportedly looking for 75 billion.

 

Really? Draymond Green? Ron Artest? so many many others have turned it around as solid NBA players.


DD