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How did Delfino not have an offer better than 1yr/$3mil+team option?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. cheke64

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    I laughed so hard when he pulled a step back 3 on Kobe. Kobe looked lost on defense as usual.
     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    It is hard to find a job with a criminal record.
     
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    Lee is a fantastic defender, I remember multiple times he saved the game from **** happening at the buzzer. I remember in particular when we just hit a three to tie the game against the clippers, and chris paul took it up the court with 20 seconds left and Courtney defended him so well he couldn't even pass the ball and chunked up an airball. With his defense, he also has above average athleticism and a good jumpshot. He could be a starter on a lot of teams
     
  4. HardLin

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    Gotta admit, when we signed Delphino I was like "WTF do we need him for with all the forwards that need PT?". But he's been a valuable role player and an occasional spark off the bench. I'm willing to bet a couple of our wins would have been losses without him. He does have his crappy shooting games though - you just bench him when he's not hot.

    Since Morey signed him I was always wondering if Delphino looks goods in advanced stats. His regular stats make him look kinda roughly worth what he's being paid. Is there something here that Morey sees in him? I'm asking because he seems to contribute more than his raw numbers would indicate. To my eye he did a better job defending Kobe than Parsons.
     
  5. phantoman

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    Delfino was pretty awesome during the Olympics this past summer. Motet has always like the international style of ball, it wasn't a surprise we got him. Consider the fact that the nba has evolved to be set up more like international ball in terms of player and positions.
     
  6. Easy

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    There was an article that said Delfino was the worst +/- player last year.

    Like some have already pointed out, he's a chucker, and streaky to boot.

    He's been playing well. But he's an inconsistent player. So we'll see if he's underpaid.
     
  7. dobro1229

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    Its a bi-product of the new CBA. Before, a contending team would have paid good money for someone like Carlos. He would have been worth paying a few extra dollars in lux tax, but with the new CBA, there is now a line drawn in the sand that even the most spend happy owners dont dare cross in the lux tax threshold.

    The middle class NBA players will really suffer in this new era of NBA contracts.

    NBA teams are investing most of their capspace into 1 or 2 players that they consider the main piece or two. Everyone after that is now going to be either on a rookie scale contract, veteran's minimum contract, or you are going to be put in a situation much like that of a Carlos Delfino, Carl Landry, or any of the other vets that are getting robbed in this new NBA CBA era.
     
  8. Easy

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    I wouldn't say the middle class players are being "robbed." They have been overpaid in the old CBA compared to the stars in terms of true value to a team. (If you want to say ALL players are underpaid compared to the owners' profits, that's another story.)

    Stars win championships and they are very hard to come by. Role players come and go and they are very interchangeable. It makes sense that stars get paid 5 times or so more than the average role players.
     
  9. mazinger

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    Never said that star players are not worth their value. If anything it is the opposite. In what world should Lebron James' financial worth be equal or less than that of Joe Johnson?

    I get it. When I say that middle class players like Delfino, Landry, etc. are now going to be underpaid, I mean that once the money is spent on that teams star players, there are fewer dollars left on the table to be spend, and those dollars are now going to be cut from the middle classes earnings when in the past, those players were valued as important enough to go out and spend a little extra to go get.
     
  11. meh

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    Ironically, he leads the Rockets in +/- this year. Despite subbing for Parsons and Harden.

    Delfino is 6th in shots attempt on the Rockets if you account for FTs. Ahead of Morris, Douglas, and Cook. May I ask if there's something wrong with the pecking order for the team?

    As for being streaky, can you tell me a Rockets player that's not streaky in terms of the variance in their scoring per game?
     
  12. RoxTurk

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    He is injury-prone. That's why he has this contract. If he can somehow pull 82 games a year he would have been like little-Manu Ginobili in this league. Delfino always contributed when he's healthy and given time on the court.
     
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I'm sorry - that's a ridiculous comparison. You are comparing a 10 year vet who plays off the ball with a 23 year old on a new team who is the focus of the defense.

    How can this guy get so much praise for shooting 34% from behind the arc? If it was 40% I might be able to understand. But 34%?
     
  14. Shroopy2

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    We already know the answer you want well in advance

    "Because Daryl Morey's approach is very effective, a cut above the rest and we are lucky to have him"
     
  15. meh

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    Thanks for an answer that makes perfect sense. The CBA probably is the cause of it, and teams are afraid of the tax more than before.
     
  16. meh

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    Please don't try to assume how I think.

    I ask because for seemingly a long time now, ever since I began to understand NBA salaries, it seems that mediocre players always get overpaid. Stromile Swift, Shandon Anderson, Mo Taylor, Juwan Howard, Moochie Norris, Matt Maloney, Kenny Thomas, Brent Price, just to name a few ex-Rockets.

    If anything, the NOT the norm for a capable rotation player to have absolutely no market.
     
  17. BamBam

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    I think it has something to do with the world ending.
    He got a prorated offer due to the fact he'll only be
    playing till 12/21/12
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  18. Ziggy

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    Delfino is a lot more than a spot up shooter and move with the offense guy. He can create for himself and others, he rebounds, picks up some steals. When we first got him I imagined he might be our best offensive player assuming Martin would be dealt at some point.
     
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    Delphino is great . Short and to the point.
     
  20. moestavern19

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    According to the advanced metrics I've been looking at, Delfino at SG results in a much higher +/- and overall offensive efficiency. When looking at his stats from last year playing the 3, he was terrible on both ends of the court, but when he played the 2, he was much more effective.


    Source: 82games.com

    Through 12/3 this season

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    He's registering a PER value of 20.3 this year at SG, as opposed to a measly 7.7 at SF

    But it is also interesting to note his net PER (adj to 48 mpg) is +6.9 compared to opposing SGs, whereas it is -3.6 compared to opposing SFs.

    (Keep in mind PER is a stat that tends to favor volume scorers)
     
    #40 moestavern19, Dec 6, 2012
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