Ask yourself three questions: 1. If you were GM of the Warriors, would you sign Jackson for six years at $24 million -- without the option to trade him for the rest of this season -- given the other frontcourt options on your roster and the outspoken bitter history between him and the Warriors in recent months? (We traded Scottie Pippen, a player whose contract we were already stuck with, for crap in a similar situation. Would we have signed Pippen to a new six-year deal, even at $4 million per, if he had made the same comments and public demands?) 2. If you were a Warriors coach or executive, and your game plan for the summer was to see how big an offer Jackson could get on the open market and then match it and keep him, would you make the comments about him that have been coming out of Golden State recently? 3. If you had the power to deprive another team of a player it desperately needed, and you thought you could extract a favorable trade from that team by threatening to exercise that power, what would you do?
Umm ... on behalf of the Golden State Warriors and their fans, I'd like to urge all of you CC.net readers (and, uh, especially any Rockets front office personnel who may be lurking!) to please ignore the implications of Will's post. Er, uhh ... particularly point #3. Wouldn't you all rather read about how good Bob Sura looked in practice yesterday?
Why would GS have let MJ drift all summer long only to want him so badly now? Isn't Troy Murphy his capable replacement at 1/3rd the cost? That's what we've heard from the Warrior fans here. Fortson is a performer. Dampier is an oft-injured underachiever. I can't see the Knicks classifying those two in an either/or situation. They aren't equivalents. Isn't Moochie just as capable a PG as Charlie Ward and at a lesser price? Won't they do a S&T for him? Have we offered now that we have Damon Jones under contract?
I bet that Ward's Facist brand of christianity would go over real well in the bay area. Talk about a PR nightmare waiting to happen.
Looks like NY might be working something out regarding LJ, latest I read was that he failed the physical and might even be inclined towards retirement. What do the rules on the salary of retirees state? Do the Knicks get some kinda release from the cap? The only option we should consider is JUST for MJ. Let's leave out any other trades for the moment. Considering that GS isn't the brightest in personal movement, we could have MJ and Sura to us, Wiz & Ward to GS, Fortson to NY. I don't have numbers, so does that work out right? It would be nice if Othella was up for offer too.
I'm not sure about the numbers lived, but I bet that trade scenerio would be possible if you replaced Fortson with Dampier. I think that Dampier makes more sense because the Knicks have to many PFs as is and they need a true center, from the Warriors side, their GM would have to be on crack to trade away a solid low post scorer and dominant rebounder like Danny Fortson. I think he'll be a star. That is, if the Ward trade occurs, listening to the Warriors fans, it seems like the last thing Golden State needs is another guard, unless they feel he can replace Sura, who could be shipped to Houston, assuming any of this has any truth to it.
If Warriors decide to trade Dampier and play Marc Jackson at 5, not only will have they lost Dampier but in a sense Jackson too because he will have no team spirit. Sure, he'll honor the contract and try and play to the best of his abilities, but after GSW starts the season with an impressive record of 5-23 he too will become disgruntled! It's one way of cutting a glut of big men "effectively", I guess. Most likely, what we have here is the case of #3 issue from Will's post.
I heard that the Warriors are impressed how Dampier looks and is healthy, why on earth would they trade him. For an over paid guard...
In case some people don't know about the matching offer thing, let me enlighten you. If GS matches Houston's offer, then Jackson couldn't be traded for a year. You can't block a guy and then trade him. Houston could probably sweeten the deal by giving up one of the many picks they have over the next couple of years. The pick could be protected to make sure its not a lottery pick or something. Thats the deal, squash the rumors.
I don't know. On one hand, I can see that GS would be interested in dealing Dampier and keeping Jackson who would cost less than the five years left on Dampier's contract. Ward's contract is only for three years and not five. However, aside from saving money over the long run, GS loses caproom they're supposed to be really interested in saving for Hughes. If I'm not mistaken, NY's exception for Longley expired on Monday, and it didn't sound like something they could use in trade. So I don't see how GS wouldn't be taking on the additional 3.25 mil in salary if they keep Jackson. I think I'm inclined to agree with Will. I don't doubt Oeilpere and Jeff, and Clutch's mentioning of CD being on the phone a lot during media day seems to support that. But maybe GS IS looking around at options and hyping their offers to the Rocks, hoping to get them to agree to a trade CD and co. might otherwise not go for. In other words, I think the panic in the Rockets office is real, but I have my doubts as to GS's intentions. Finally, if NY's really interested in dumping Ward for a center, I'd consider sending them Cato for Ward if it means we get Jackson. Dampier doesn't have much on Cato, if anything. I'd rather have Jackson and Collier manning the middle than Cato and Collier at this point. I've had it with Cato, and at the very least, Jackson would be cheaper.
There can't be any compensation given by the Rockets so that GS won't match. Go back and read crispee's post on the 1st page.
Ummmm... I know the media's given mixed messages on what we can/cannot do, but I don't think we could do something as flagrant as give them a draft pick for not signing Jackson. The CBA, as quoted by Crispee, is pretty clear about that. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were a Williams for Sura trade, for instance, to accomplish the same thing. Stern might not jump all over that.
If teh Warriors match the Rockets offer, its dollar for dollar. We offered 6yr 24mill, thats what it will take to match it. They can't offer 1yr/4.5mill and keep him. Plus, they will have to keep him for at least a year. With all thats been said, why would either want to reconcile? I'm very sure about the rule.
No, they couldn't trade him to the Rockets for a year. They could trade him to anyone else after 90 days (i.e., in January), as long as Jackson approves the trade.
Is there any indication as to when this whole issue will be resolved one way or another? How soon will we know?
I think Swopa is right,they can trade him to anyone else within 90 days except for the Rockets,but the interesting thing that Swopa mentioned was if Jackson approves the trade. What will happen if Jackson refuses to play for anyone else apart from the Rockets? Can GS still trade him against his will to another team?
