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Heroes [Season 3]

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  1. Storm Surge

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    tell me why a guy like peter, who has the ability to manipulate and stop time, decided to not use his ability when they were in the house. If he did that nothing would have even happened. No disaster, no tragedy, nothing. Is peter just a moron or what?
     
  2. Nero

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    Not listed among Peter's powers is apparently 'Fast Thinker' ..

    but that's ok, as much as some people like to complain about the show because of 'plot holes', it would be unwatchable if every one of these people used their powers to the fullest and best perfectly every time.

    Actually, wasn't that kind of one of the main themes of the X-Men comics series? To show how these people, essentially children, learn to use their powers, and to eventually act like a cohesive team, etc etc?

    Just because you *can* do something right doesn't mean you always will. Not because you don't want to always do the right thing, but life is just like that.
     
  3. rrj_gamz

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    Agreed...plus he can heal himself, well I thougth the future peter could do that...A little all over the place, but I still watch it...I would have thought Sylar would have not let it come to him being beat up and killing his son? why wait to use powers until it was too late?

    Mohinder being a beast is lame, but so is Peter and Nikki...
     
  4. Storm Surge

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    no, but you would expect at least SOME type of logic behind them.

    The Costa Verde scene had a TON of plotholes.

    Claire, Daphne, and the black dude(can't recall his name at this moment) decide to confront BOTH Sylar and Peter, the MOST powerful people on the Earth and yet the HAITIAN is nowhere to be found???

    Not only that, but at the start of the fight scene BOTH Peter and Sylar were getting whooped to shreds like they were nothing. Why didn't Sylar use any of his powers until the very end?

    But again the most GLARING stupidity happens when Peter refuses to stop time, any person with one ounce of logic would have done that. You could say that Peter already knows that that scene wouldn't happen as he would just go back in time and change everything, but then he decides to risk his life rather than teleporting back to the present.

    One thing I can conclude from this...the Petrelli family is not very smart.
     
  5. Cannonball

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    I like how Daphne, who is super fast and almost outran the exploding Sylar, didn't make it back to New York until the news was already reporting on the disaster and Parkman was already lamenting her death. Shouldn't she have been able to make it back in like a second, before the media even had a chance to tell anyone anything?
     
  6. Rocket River

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    so . . .
    1. Peter and Sylar both can steal powers. . but do it in different ways
    2. Sylar has the ability to STOP PETER from stealing his power .. if he wants too

    just thoughts
    Future Sylar should *not* be dead . . peter exploded and lived . . .he should also have the healing ability

    Fear boy should not have been a match for Sylar at all

    Rocket River
     
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    she was injured so she probably wasn't running at her top speed
     
  8. halfbreed

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    He didn't want to use powers in front of his kid. He said so to Peter.

    Again, see above. Sylar was not using his powers on purpose.
     
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    I didn't understand that
    in a world filled with people with powers
    what was he afraid of?

    I'm sure the kid seen powers b4


    Rocket River
     
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    Perhaps the more he uses his power, the more he feels the hunger.
     
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    This show has officially crossed the line into insanity.
     
  12. halfbreed

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    I think it boiled down to him not wanting his kid to be scared of him and, as stated in the post above me, he may have wanted to keep the hunger dormant.

    That's my best guess.
     
  13. Nero

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    Hehehehe I just think it is fun to have such a fun spaz of a show to talk about and nit-pick over..

    So, in the interest of stretching logic and just the fun of it, let's see if we can come up with something plausible for your complaints..

    1. - The Haitian not being there. Well, Claire did say that (future) Peter was not really dead, not yet anyway. And the only reason he had not regenerated was because the Haitian was there keeping Peter's powers in check. Possibly the Haitian could not leave Future-Peter's 'body', and so they had to go it without him. Plus, if the Haitian was there, their own powers would not work either, so I doubt he is actually in very close proximity whenever they have any kind of a big fight with anyone.

    2. - Sylar and Peter getting whupped up on. Well, Claire and 'Gabriel' obviously have some kind of past issues, only alluded to, so that, coupled with his now clearly-docile nature, they must have felt confident enough that he would not pose a threat. Perhaps he was out of practice, not having used any of his powers for years. It was not very smart, though, to threaten his son in order to make Peter 'come along quietly'. Oops. And as for Peter, well, he obviously had never fought anyone with super-speed before, so it's not entirely implausible to think he may have been a little paralyzed with inaction due to the dismay of having Claire trying to kill him, plus the super-fast ****-eyed girl beating the snot out of him at the same time.

    3. - As far as stopping time. Hehehe well, the easy answer was that it simply happened too fast. Other possibilities would be that, similar to how Daphne is 'immune' to the stopping of time, 'Gabriel' probably was too, and perhaps Peter either knew that for sure, or instinctively knew it. Also, merely stopping time might not have accomplished much, unless he intended to keep time frozen forever. Or maybe he could have stopped time and physically picked a nuclear-hot Gabriel up and carried him by hand hundreds of miles off into the desert somewhere, which doesn't seem very likely either. Or maybe he could have flown him away, like Nathan did with Peter before. But that wouldn't have made for very good T.

    Conversely, that moment where Gabriel realizes his child had just been killed and immediately loses his mind with grief and explodes in a nuclear fireball.. wow. That was quite a moment for TV.

    It may not be the most logical show on television, and the characters may mostly be studies in poor decision-making, but I love the show a ton, and I really wouldn't want them to change it just to satisfy those AICN basement-dwelling nitpickers.
     
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    I've been a staunch supporter (but not blind to its faults) of shows like this and LOST to no end, but even I can get turned off when stuff gets ridiculous. It's why I "fired" 24 after it became "Shark Jumpers Featuring Jack Bauer" around seasons 4 and 5. I'll see if they can redeem themselves this year.

    With Heroes, I give them a Mulligan for the disaster that was S2 for a couple of reasons. They may have just been starting slow to build up to a fun Spring, and the producers came out and apologized profusely, swearing to make amends based on all of the feedback.

    Right now though, I'm getting awfully disappointed. The plotholes I can work through, all shows have them - especially in the sci-fi/fantasy genre. That said, they are getting to be direct-to-DVD level bad with them.

    My main frustration, though, is the way they incessantly shuffle and reshuffle the characters. It's unrealistically abrupt, overdone, and getting old FAST. Most daytime soaps don't have the personality change frequency of Heroes.

    The first season, I liked how everyone (minus Hiro and a couple others) were shades of gray rather than good guys or bad guys. But now, they're just sending everyone from one pole to the other and it's ridiculous. It doesn't help that the writers are completely unable to insert these character twists without making it more painfully forced, awkward, and hard to swallow. It's almost as bad as George Lucas giving us Anakin Skywalker's character development. This endless rebooting of Ali Larter is garbage.

    The Sylar brother/Vegeta development isn't hard to swallow at all, but it's also happening a little too soon. They could have played this series "straight" a little longer, develop the characters a little more, and then give us these switches and character twists later and over a period of time. Not all at once and only 1.5 seasons in.....

    That's not nitpicking - that's a fundamental problem with the show.
     
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    So going from good to gray/bad in four years is a fast change?
     
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    Peter needed Sylar's power so he could know how things worked.

    (I guess Peter and Sylar were never around each other? I figured they had been, so why didn't Peter already have that power? Because suddenly they decided to write in Sylar's ability to block Peter from getting it?)

    So he wants to know how the future gets to this point, what's he doing cutting peoples' brains open? He doesn't have to do that, the hunger isn't specifically about looking at brains!
     
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    I think Peter may have to be around people WHILE they're using their power in order to gain their ability. Most likely, he was never around Sylar when Sylar was using his original abiltity, only when Sylar was using the other abilities he had acquired.
     
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    Sylar's only "ability" is telekenesis. Peter already has that power. Sylar's power is NOT scalping people and taking their power. He simply has the hunger to do that. It's like an addiction.
     
  19. rrj_gamz

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    Agreed...Sylar took Claire's powers 4 years ago and we know you can't take away powers, so Sylar is alive just as Peter was after he exploded in S1...

    I know we all nitpick but that's because we expect more of a show...At least I do...Entertaining, sure, but all over the place with no direction, that's what's getting harder and harder to watch...
     
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    No, but going from a S1 with almost all "gray" characters to their current writing tactic of
    "I'm good! I'm bad! I'm evil! I'm misunderstood and peaceful at heart!"
    is beyond annoying.

    In 4 years, all these characters are supposed to be so deviated from the present that there's zero trace of their former personalities? Come on now. They're flip flopping from black to white with everyone, all at the same time, and that's NOT the same as letting "gray" characters develop.

    That we're on Nikki v3.0 with YET ANOTHER version already being set up (Barbara?) is stupid.

    The show has a lot of promise, and is still enjoyable on the whole, but I'm starting to question the ability of the producers and writing staff to realize that promise. It's good, but it's getting shaky....
     

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