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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Then why is he supporting Hamas now and lying about Hamas members and Gaza "civilians" having raped Israeli women?

    These are the typical conspiracy theories and lies spread in Islamist circles.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    I don’t fully agree with @fchowd0311’s take on this issue and reading through his post I think ideology is also coloring his views. That said questioning his service is wrong. He’s done far more for this country than either you or I. For that matter you’re not a citizen so it’s odd that you’re questioning the loyalty of someone to the US. Also questioning on the basis of a discussion of Israel. Last I checked US marines do not pledge to serve Israel.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    I can have an argument with someone who thinks Israel needs to stop bombing at some point.

    But I can't really take anyone seriously who makes up lies about Oct. 7 being "resistance" or the atrocities not having happened and the IDF just having killed all these people, etc. etc.
     
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  4. Nook

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    He doesn't support Hamas, at least as far as I know.

    He is sympathetic to the refugees and Palestinians, but half the world or more is - and Hamas doesn't necessarily equal Palestine.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    I don't know anything about his service other than that he posted here that he did serve. The fact that he served is commendable.

    Many of the ideological positions he takes here are not.
     
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  6. AroundTheWorld

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    Being sympathetic and spreading propaganda like "the rapes didn't happen" are two different things.
     
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    He literally said rapes probably did happen.

    What you are objecting to, I guess, is him not assuming that every rape allegation (from bystanders and officials, as opposed to survivors) is true.

    When claims of widespread, systematic rape are being used to justify killing of thousands of civilians (or, as you refer to them, “civilians”), our willingness to believe every rape allegation regardless of the evidence is not disconnected from opposition to that killing.

    My stance is that all manner of sexual violence likely happened. If you are morally capable of gunning down defenseless people, as hundreds of these fighters evidently were, you are just as capable of raping them. But when the decision to kill thousands of people is justified on the basis of such incidents having occurred, it is absolutely reasonable for people opposed to that killing to expect strong evidence for it.
     
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    Haaretz had an article (Hebrew) about the on-going rape investigations. I can’t read it, but this tweet summarizes some of what it says (countering a claim from Aaron Mate that the article highlights a lack of evidence for the rape):

     
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    Strange how there seemed to be furor at possibly Israel for the explosion in Iran, then when Isis says yea naw they didn’t do it..we did it,..the uncontrolled anger and promise to retribute the enemies talk pretty much stopped.

    Its almost as if Islamic savagery vs other Islamists is part of the acceptance - ISIS considers Iran to be an enemy more devious than even the United States and Israel because ISIS considers the Shia to be rafidha, or rejectionists, and prioritized targeting them for death above any other adversary…meanwhile the Shia has a reverse position as the US and Israel as more devious … you have to admit this is a interesting perspective between the two that either hate us more or hate the other more (basically themselves) depending on the perspective

    This is why you can’t reason with Islamic extremists when even the less extreme HAMAS is capable of absolute animalistic butchery as well as ISIS - they know nothing of valuing life
     
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  10. basso

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    Hamas Hates Humanity.

     
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    That's incredibly tragic. hopefully they can put another pause to their baby killing campaign very soon.
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    The retaliation against Hamas is not because of the rapes, but to eliminate the explicitly stated threat that Hamas would want to repeat Oct. 7 again and again and again.
     
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    Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from and also being empathetic to both sides. One thing I always believe is that I never can condemn an Israeli who lives in Israel who might have friends or relatives effected by Hamas attacks to have some horrific thoughts right now. It's very natural to have violent thoughts if you feel your life is threatened or you lost someone you dare about at the hands of an enemy.

    I think I've been clear that hamas has done atrocious acts on Oct 7th that is an abject terror attack on a civilian population. I also believe Hamas is full of ptsd'd out nihilist teens and young adults easily radicalized by their situation.

    I also think there is a concerted effort by the state of Israel to create a differentiation between the humanity of Israelis vs Palestinians by creating a cartoonish level villain with exaggerated and frequency of events about pregnant women being raped and beheaded because both sides target civilian populations. They understand that they have to create a cartoon level villain to create that differentiation. It's the same reason Israeli government officials deny the existence of Christians in Gaza because they understand that can generate western sympathies.

    I see hamas as an effect and the the Israeli government as a cause. You tackle the cause, not the effect. Hamas is a symptom. I don't advocate for the agenda of symptoms. I want the symptom to end and to end that symptom it probably helps to limit the amount of Gazan teens that have severe ptsd.

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...war-50-years-on.321069/page-298#post-15004778

    No, I never said atrocities didn't happen. I'm referring to the cartoonish nature of some of the claims and the frequency of them.
     
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    lol woke people forget that Sunni vs. Shia have been at war forever

    It’s the same thing as woke eats woke
    @AroundTheWorld
     
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    All these groups just want to destroy Israel because the whole region got the ass kicked by Israel
    @tallanvor

    and Israel is kicking their ass today

    of course the woke people hate America too so that’s what they have in common , they should go the Middle East try to talk about transgender kids to them and see what happens
    @ROXRAN
     
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    I remember him once posting a pic of the Purple Heart he earned. He’s also seems to know and use terminology from someone who has been in the military.
     
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    One thing I noticed in Amsterdam and just now in Reykjavik is there seem to be far more sympathy for the Palestinians than the Israeli. I saw several Palestinian flags around Amsterdam and just saw a large Palestinian flag in a public park in Reykjavik.
     
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    Muslim propaganda which gets gobbled up by dumb woke leftists.

    More than 100x more Muslims than Jews in the world.
     
  20. tinman

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    Woke propaganda is amazing
    The only good thing is that the woke Jewish people realize now that the woke aren’t their friends
    It’s a mind disease
    @tallanvor
    @ROXRAN
     
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