Five seconds left on the clock who should have the ball Aaron or Kevin?

Brooks all day to create, wouldn't mind Martin shooting though if he gets the open look.

 

^this

 

It has nothing to do with Brooks. It has to do with DD stating things as facts when they aren't.

The thread is about the question of 5 seconds left in the game, who takes the last shot. Brooks hasn't been good in those situations and I stated that. DD replied and said that wasn't true and claimed that Brooks had "tons of game winners". I can't find more than two, so I'm simply asking him to clarify.Von Wafer had one game winner in his short stint here, so does that mean that Von had a half a ton of game winners?


I'm all for people stating opinions but I also expect them to be able to back up those opinions with facts and not to completely flip flop back and forth on their opinion whenever it suits the point that they are arguing.

It gets a little frustrating when you have DD saying that Brooks fits the Rockets better than Chris Paul and then states " honestly Brooks outplays him (Paul)" in one thread and then turns around in this thread and says "nobody is saying that Brooks is elite".

 

Aelliot....NO one is good all the time in that situation, it is an insane point you are failing miserable to make.

I believe AB succeeded about the league norm in last shots, he is the only option on this team late, there is no one else that can do it.

Or do you have someone else in mind? Pray tell?

And I do think Brooks fits this team better than Paul, but most of that is because I think CP3 is a punk and don't like him...



Not sure how that even PERTAINS to this thread about whether it should be AB or Martin...so Aelliot...who shall it be for you ? Brooks or Martin?

DD

 

So what, DD is opinionated...this is a forum, isn't that the point?. Getting back to the point of this particular thread though, Brooks had the ball in his hand in every game I watched at the end. Maybe we were watching two different Rockets teams. Based on what I saw, why fix what isn't broken? I personally have never seen Martin with the ball in his hands in the last possession and I don't think he's as good as creating his own shot. Oh and by the way, AB>CP3 for the Rockets. CP3>AB in terms of skill. Satisfied?

 

5 seconds, run an off ball screen play for Kevin Martin with Brooks also having space to create his shot quickly.

If you have 5 seconds on the clock, it's gonna be a coupla passes and a shot. There's not much time to create.

If there is 10-15 seconds where there is actually time for one to choose. Run a Brooks-Yao Ming pick and roll.

 

I noticed in a couple pre-season games ago, when the quarter was near ending, KMart looked at Brooks for him to give him the ball and Brooks intentionally ignored him. I mean, in order for KMart to do that, the coaching staff definitely had to of told him that he was the go-to guy for the last shot (if they didn't, it's incredibly irresponsible of them for them to make the players sort it out), and I think that really hurt Brooks'.

He's been the go-to guy for a whole year and for them to just take it away and give it to the new is humiliating. I could tell there was some tension between them afterwards because Brooks looked incredibly pissed after he was sent to the bench next quarter (and KMart was still on the floor).

 

Sorry for the double post but also, not sure why people are saying KMart is not a go-to guy when he was the go-to guy, last shot of the game for Sacramento for the last 4 years and was incredibly efficient at it. Sac still sucked with him because of his lack of bulldog mentality that all superstar players have. Now that I think about it, the Rockets don't have any bulldogs except Lowry.

I think people are saying KMart doesn't know how to create his shot because he definitely prefers not to, he prefers to be efficient and not waste energy... however, he absolutely can when he feels like because he did it all the time in Sacramento, being the only one with upper-tier skills.

I also think people think this because they think creating your own shot only means shooting jump shots or driving to the hoop and scoring past the defense. But getting to the line is also creating your own shot because KMart is doing it on purpose. Whenever KMart feels like scoring, he knows exactly how to draw the foul and he does it 6-7 times a game. He could do it all the time quite honestly, but unfortunately he doesn't have the bulldog mindset.

 

I think some of you guys are confused about 5 seconds left. 5 seconds left, it's gonna be an inbounds play and probably a catch and shoot.

 

Drawing fouls is a crapshoot, you have to depend on the refs and it gets much lower probability at the end of games because they never call fouls at the end of games. 5 seconds left you need something you can count on, and that's putting the ball through the hoop.

 

What games were you imagining you were watching? Or maybe you were confusing KM with TA?

 

Yao receives the ball in the high post, shoots, no, passes to a wide open Luis Scola underneath the basket and the Rockets go up by 1!!! Die San Antonio!

Seriously though, AB without a doubt. I know its just one game, but he gained my confidence in the series against Portland in 08-09. I think we were down something like 6 with a minute to go and AB just kept drilling the 3 scaring the hell out of the Portland fans. Yeah we lost that game, but dude is cold-blooded when it counts the most.

 

And what do you want, for the defense to part during the last seconds of a game? So what if they're jumpers, they aren't set shots or anything. He took them because he got himself open and can knock it down. I'm not sure how that's even a criticism. Would that be brought up if he was Kobe? As long as he's consistent with the J i dont see a problem. You're not going to get many drives on last second shots unless your one of the better players in the game and that goes for any fouls too. Even they barely get those called.

Show me some of these magical drives that Kmart has to win games that are not initiated by a fast break.

As for whether Brooks has hit legit game winners or not, he hasnt had many of them...but that shouldnt be a reason to say he can't do it. It's not like Kmart has many on his resume either. It's the team that's going to take you to that point in the game and therefore the opportunities are not the same for all. Brooks has shown an ability to be clutch in the final minutes or seconds of games. The OP introduced the 5 sec or less because he was already thinking of those two videos of Kmart and he thought that would control the outcome of the votes......however, you won't find much more than that for Martin, while there's plenty of crunch time scores for Aaron and that's just in 3 yrs in the league, but less than 2 as a starter.

 

who takes 5 seconds to catch and shoot? some players dribble the length of the court in 5 seconds, so in the half court it's enough time to make a move. Catch and shoot situations are at around 1 to 1.5 seconds or less.

Plus like i mentioned, that was a biased time set by the poster. Who really specifies 5 seconds? Usually it's just referred to as crunch time, final minutes/seconds, or final shot.

 

Your first post was a good point about the fouls but this post was a passive aggressive attack. If you don't agree with me, I think it's a more enjoyable conversation if you tell me why instead of interpreting an opinion you disagree with as an insult to your ego and trying to hurt me for it.

 

I dont think he can recall that happening...i can't either...i dont remember any games coming to the final seconds...maybe within the game you mean? I cant imagine they'd replace the go to scorer within a preseason game. You don't hand over that role before the season starts to a player who unproven in that role. It sounds like you read too much into a play that probably was just two guys trying to decide who had the better advantage and brooks took it.

 

Oh dear lord .... in 10 years are you going to turn into Tinman 2020 pumping up Brooks as the polarizing "hero", talking about those glorious "2000's" ,and making people "recognize" the culture they SHOULD be respecting?

 

It Brooks with with the ball in the last 5 seconds.

Brooks has RANGE on his jump shot. Quickness and adept ball handling, better passing ability than Martin. And he has a decent pull back jumper also.

How Jason Terry looks to us, Brooks looks to some teams out there.