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Elon Musk is no hero

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, May 12, 2022.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I know he isn't the founder. What was Tesla before him which was only a year of existence

    Edit, a lot of wealth is investing, from the beginning meaning a lot of people have gotten rich initially by investing in a great idea early
     
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  2. Space Ghost

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    Bizarre. I am not sure why you keep repeating this. Yes, everyone knows the back drop of Tesla. He forced his way into ownership.

    It seems to be you and those who keep repeating this narrative are the ones who fails to understand the only thing in common with the company he bought and what it is now is only the name Tesla.
     
  3. JayGoogle

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    I said it because @pgabriel said he made the company and was a founder lol

    People keep repeating it because people keep saying he was a founder which is factually wrong.

    And people keep attributing things to him he's not responsible for, not everyone wants to hang off his nuts my guy.
     
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  4. Ottomaton

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    Welcome to hell, Elon

    You break it, you buy it.

    By NILAY PATEL / @reckless

    Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself, and there is no possible way to grow users and revenue without making a series of enormous compromises that will ultimately destroy your reputation and possibly cause grievous damage to your other companies.

    I say this with utter confidence because the problems with Twitter are not engineering problems. They are political problems. Twitter, the company, makes very little interesting technology; the tech stack is not the valuable asset. The asset is the user base: hopelessly addicted politicians, reporters, celebrities, and other people who should know better but keep posting anyway. You! You, Elon Musk, are addicted to Twitter. You’re the asset. You just bought yourself for $44 billion dollars.

    The problem when the asset is people is that people are intensely complicated, and trying to regulate how people behave is historically a miserable experience, especially when that authority is vested in a single powerful individual.

    What I mean is that you are now the King of Twitter, and people think that you, personally, are responsible for everything that happens on Twitter now. It also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when **** goes sideways.

    Here are some examples: you can write as many polite letters to advertisers as you want, but you cannot reasonably expect to collect any meaningful advertising revenue if you do not promise those advertisers “brand safety.” That means you have to ban racism, sexism, transphobia, and all kinds of other speech that is totally legal in the United States but reveals people to be total assholes. So you can make all the promises about “free speech” you want, but the dull reality is that you still have to ban a bunch of legal speech if you want to make money. And when you start doing that, your creepy new right-wing fanboys are going to viciously turn on you, just like they turn on every other social network that realizes the same essential truth.

    Actually, there’s a step before trying to get the ad money: it turns out that most people do not want to participate in horrible unmoderated internet spaces full of shitty racists and not-all-men fedora bullies. (This is why Twitter is so small compared to its peers!) What most people want from social media is to have nice experiences and to feel validated all the time. They want to live at Disney World. So if you want more people to join Twitter and actually post tweets, you have to make the experience much, much more pleasant. Which means: moderating more aggressively! Again, every “alternative” social network has learned this lesson the hard way. Like, over and over and over again.

    Also, everyone crying about “free speech” conveniently ignores that the biggest threat to free speech in America is the ****ing government, which seems completely bored of the First Amendment. They’re out here banning books, Elon! President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump have identical policy positions on Section 230: they both want to repeal it. Do you know why? Because the First Amendment prohibits them from making explicit speech regulations, so they keep threatening to repeal the law that allows social networks to even exist in order to exert indirect pressure on content policy. It’s not subtle!

    State governments are even less subtle: both Texas and Florida have passed speech regulations that overtly tell social media companies how to moderate, in open hostility to the First Amendment. Figuring out how to comply with these laws is not an engineering problem (not least because compliance might be impossible). It is a legal problem because these laws are blatantly unconstitutional, and the only appropriate response to them is to tell the government to shut up and go away. (A big problem here is that the courts are pretty stupid about the internet!) A challenge to these laws, partially funded by Twitter, is headed to the Supreme Court, which is the polar opposite of a predictable system: it is a group of uncool weirdos with lifetime appointments that can radically reshape American life however it wants.

    You can’t deploy AI at this problem: you have to go out and defend the actual First Amendment against the bad laws in Texas and Florida, whose taxes you like and whose governors you seem pretty fond of. Are you ready for what that looks like? Are you ready to sit before Congress and politely decline to engage in their content capture sessions for hours on end? Are you ready to do any of this without the incredibly respected policy experts whose leader you first harassed and then fired? This is what you signed up for. It’s way more boring than rockets, cars, and rockets with cars on them.
     
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  5. Ottomaton

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    And it gets worse the second you leave the United States! Germany is a huge market for Tesla. Are you going to flout Germany’s speech laws? I would bet not. The Indian government basically demands social media companies provide potential hostages in order to operate in that country; you can’t engineer your way out of that ****. Are you ready to experience the pressure Twitter faces in the Middle East to block and restrict accounts? Are you ready for the fact that the Iranian government will ****ing murder people over their social media posts? (Are you ready for how Twitter is being used by Iranians protesting that government right now?) Are you excited for the Chinese government to find ways to threaten Tesla’s huge business in that country over content that appears on Twitter? Because it’s going to happen.

    The essential truth of every social network is that the product is content moderation, and everyone hates the people who decide how content moderation works. Content moderation is what Twitter makes — it is the thing that defines the user experience. It’s what YouTube makes, it’s what Instagram makes, it’s what TikTok makes. They all try to incentivize good stuff, disincentivize bad stuff, and delete the really bad stuff. Do you know why YouTube videos are all eight to 10 minutes long? Because that’s how long a video has to be to qualify for a second ad slot in the middle. That’s content moderation, baby — YouTube wants a certain kind of video, and it created incentives to get it. That’s the business you’re in now. The longer you fight it or pretend that you can sell something else, the more Twitter will drag you into the deepest possible muck of defending indefensible speech. And if you turn on a dime and accept that growth requires aggressive content moderation and pushing back against government speech regulations around the country and world, well, we’ll see how your fans react to that.

    Anyhow, welcome to hell. This was your idea.
     
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  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    We celebrate entrepreneurial success in this country. It's not nut hanging. People understand he didn't create Tesla.

    People celebrate Tesla and they celebrate it's success under his leadership. A lot of that celebration is a bigger issue, global warming plays a major role
     
  7. JayGoogle

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    And I have no issue giving Musk credit for being a good entrepreneur, I've said as much.

    I just hate when people act like he's Tony Stark, that's all I've said. He's no hero of humanity, he's just a billionaire entrepreneur out to make as much money as possible, like the other billionaires.
     
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    So I hear the usage of the N-Word is up 500%

    Lovely

    Rocket River
     
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  9. dobro1229

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    I don't know how I missed this fact, but puts everything into perspective. Of course he's bought off by the Saudis. Why wouldn't he be? Is there any place in our politics and business infrastructure that MBS, Putin, and Xi have not bought and paid for??

    https://www.motherjones.com/politic...bsolutist-is-silent-about-his-saudi-partners/

     
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    After he takes some time to enjoy his freedom to post funny memes and bask in the glory of being the "chief twit", I'm sure the brilliant mind will convert these N-Word tweets into constructive comments and building blocks of the greatest town hall experience we've ever had and make the previously toxic social media a building block of our great and beautiful nation. Elon going to mount Rushmore soon!... /sarcasm


    edti: seriously though he obviously went into this business without a plan, snobbishly thinking that he knows better - if he did have a plan, he'd have a commented on how he wants to tackle the type of divisive speech Kanye, Trump and their ilk uses the platform for or he would have hinted at his plans by now instead of simply begging advertisers to stay with empty rhetoric
     
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  11. dobro1229

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    Like seriously guys.... Am I like the only person in America not paid by the Saudis???
     
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    It's time to say it.

    Elon Musk is a dumb person's idea of a genius.
     
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    No. He's ambitious, lucky, lacks shame etc.

    You should do a deep dive on how he aquires investments like Tesla. He's obsessed with image and the image of being integral to the design of the products from those companies.


    Anyways I think a lot of dumb people think of intellegence as the same as ambition and ability to obtain wealth. In reality, the smartest people on the planet are people who are so consumed with intellectual curiosity that their brain just doesn't have time to care about building a wealth empire. Think about the actual geniuses of our past. They aren't entrepreneurs. They are career academics and researchers like John B. Goodenough or Einstein. Content with a upper middle class lifestyles as long as it gives them time to expand on their intellectual curiosity. Musk isn't that type of person. Nor is Bezos. These aren't the geniuses of mankind. They just have the best combo of ambition, luck, charisma and intellegence.

    The biggest geniuses only care about wealth to the extent it satisfying their intellectual curiosity. Wealth is just a means to exercise intellectual curiosity rather than desiring to live a certain lifestyle and satisfy narcissistic urges to hold the most influence and power.
     
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  15. DaDakota

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    Elon is a narcissist - he is great at promoting Elon....

    DD
     
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    He started life on third base and wants credit for hitting a walk off grand slam.

    He is super smart though in terms of his knowledge of psychics, engineering, and a few other highly technical skills. Nobody said he wasn't. He could have a ton of value to the world. Tesla alone has meant alot to the electric car and renewable industry. Space X's rocket technology is ground breaking. He has to get some credit for at least being a cheer leader at the top as the president. Especially if SpaceX creates technology that is intended to help terraform Mars, but is used to help us here with climate change.

    So no... Musk isn't just lucky. The guy has been a leader in some ground breaking areas. But now all he seems to be concerned about is serving the Saudi's who are funding him by being nothing more than a right wing troll online. He's got the potential to be Tony Stark... but the personality, and character flaws of the guy from A Clockwork Orange.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    He honestly isn't superstar smart in mechanical engineering and design. He just hasn't expressed enough intellectual curiosity in that endeavor outside of knowing terms the public understands as "smart".

    His technical experience is some coding knowledge but he is at heart a venture capitalist. All his success are from acquisitions for the baseline technology already existed.

    Engineering takes effort and intellectual curiosity. Musk getting a bachelor's in physics and then spent 2 days at grad school to then start his entrepreneurial career with Zip2, a online city guide database doesn't show me the intellectual curiosity in mechanical design. Where is he dedicating the time to learn rocket engineering and automotive engineering?

    If you look at his history of acquisitions he is obsessed with having his titles have some type of "engineering project engineer" title where it makes it seem like he's the technical lead executive.
     
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  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
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    So true, the Internet and social media are killing society.

    DD
     
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    Sadly most of the people that shill for bone saw are doing it for free
     

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