I know, losers should stick together...but, man, your name sucks!! sorry man, I'm aiming for the cc.net hall of fame and have to distance myself from Pete Rose Mobsters. you understand!
Maybe with all this new cap numbers the Rockets can let Hakeem walk and just blame it on the CBA. Because things are really going to be tight. bye bye Shandon also!! ------------------ "Instinctly u recognize things,now take advantage of what u just recognized!".. Hakeem..
Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1. Do you guys work? How about this .... ah, do you sleep? 2. Dang! At 2AM you're still hammering away at Jackson versus Cato/Ostertag/etc,.... 3. Someone tell Achebe I never proclaimed giving Hakeem a two year deal would hamper our chances of signing Duncan, etc... or any other imagined or projected future superstar.(BTW: "Bozo" is a relative term. In Swali it means: " ... most prestigous appendage ...". Hence it's use in reference to me and my colleagues, and it's lack of use to describe the acherbic, if not effeminate, Achebe.) 4. Quick question: What was the first post in this thread about? Cheers. ------------------
You are both funny and illiterate. The 'Duncan' reference was addressed to NIKE. The bozo reference was a barb @ imploring you, crispee and NIKE to come up w/ an adequate reason to not give Dream a 2 year deal. But thanks for opening old wounds. I bailed out on a student exchange to Dar es Salaam, Tanzania b/c of the slight complications associated with a civil war in neighboring Rwanda (and the assc. refugee explosion), though at the time I was fairly theatrical (as juniors in college tend to be) about it and told a girl it was all for witty bitty her. ------------------ Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...
I guess I didn't see this before. Why does there have to be a reason other than greed? Don't back down. The guy is not going anywhere. Stick to your guns on the 1yr deal, and wait him out. If he plays great, give him another contract next summer, and we have to then build a center for the future out of an overachiever...so be it. If he gets injured, we can still probably talk him into playing 2 minutes in the last game so cc.net can give him a fond farwell, and we can try to spot oeilpere in the final photo like Barkley's big night. Then we shoot the horse and fertilize our pasture with $10m in cap room to attract another stud via trade or free agency. Question back to Achebe Explain to me why we have to offer anything other than a 1yr deal to Fegan, right now. Why? Are we in a hurry?
It depends on what Dawson is trying to accomplish. I'm just defending what was put out in front of me... w/ the inherent "Dream is good" thrown in there. ------------------ Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...
What is Dawson trying to accomplish by not offering an acceptable 2yr deal? As long as you are willing to renounce Shandon and Rogers, the cap allows an $8m 1styr and $9m 2nd to Dream guaranteed, plus a 25% kicker the 2nd year awarded with a Rodman performance bonus (20 games played, for instance). Mo is then signable at $57m over 7yrs, maybe more depending on whose cap numbers you like best. So why isn't Dawson doing that? Because Dream and Mo' won't take those numbers? Because he really wants to keep Shandon, and Shandon won't allow renouncing in order to come back and sign a Middle Class. Because Dawson wants to save Les a few million on Dream?? To me, it is because they are fighting over length of contract, otherwise we could do this: Dream Signs 2yr for $17m with additional $2.25m Rodman bonus the 2nd yr. Mo' Signs 7yr $57m deal averaging over $8 per yr (at least) Shandon renounced after Dream signs 6yr $35m via a Middle Class signed after Mo signs Moochie Gets whatever Looks like everyone takes those numbers. No? So, explain to me why this isn't happening? barbourdg....do you have a clue? anyone anyone anyone What is CD doing? [This message has been edited by crispee (edited July 18, 2001).]
Are you crazy crispee? Those numbers are way too high, and the contracts too long, for all 3 guys. Just because you can overspend, doesn't mean you should. ------------------ I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip that I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
sammie, not really! that is just $6m starting for Mo'. that is an $8m start for Dream this is a Middle Class for Shandon Those numbers have all been mentioned before. You are only surprised because you have never seen all three numbers in the same post that says it is doable within the cap. Mo' might come down to $6m for a longterm, otherwise he'll want more, no? which would mean Dream must take less. besides, this is all rhetorical to show the maximum within the cap to sign all four. [This message has been edited by crispee (edited July 18, 2001).]
anyone, anyone, don't argue the numbers unless you think Les is ordering money saving on Dream. These are all heavily rumored contract numbers and contract lengths and all doable. question is: Why isn't CD locking all 4 up like that? Because he is trying to save Les money? Uh, $6m for Mo is pretty good. anyone, anyone, no?
question is: Why isn't CD locking all 4 up like that? Because he is trying to save Les money? Probably because he has no clue what the cap will end up being right now. It's going to be anywhere between $35M and $42M, and without knowing that, nothing else can be done. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
oh phewy shanna. details, details. They are probably arguing over the player's escrow money, and why it was invested in dot.com's at a big loss.
That's the trick right? It doesn't seem to me like the money is the issue, nor the length of the contract. The team started drooling over the younger girls a few years ago(as teams are wont to do), and the senior wife gets to call the hand now. Nothing more. But she will be heard. And it has little to do with money. If you don't fawn over her, she'll ditch you for less money w/o blinking an eye. And it's nothing to be angry over. It's nothing that should cause anyone to find fault with Rudy (I guess, but I still find fault with him for it ) and noone should find fault with Dream over it. It's just life. Luckily Carroll and Rudy are married. They have to understand. Likewise these "git riddy of dweamy" punks that haven't seen a day past a 10 mo. relationship make me laugh my ass off. You honestly have no idea who is in the position of power here.
Achebe, But what if the old wife needs assurances that you aren't just telling lies. That's where the contract length comes in. If he wants say in the offense, a 2yr commitment pretty much forces them to get the most outta the ole girl. NIKEstrad, I'm wrong. All NBA contracts are limited to 6yrs, except for Qualify Veteran FAs signing with Prior Team, and an Extension of a Rookie Scale contract.
If anything strengthened your argument it was the media's coverage of RT's recent "pre-sign date" conference at the Westside. My impressions from that are: 1. A touchy-feely, reaching out to Hakeem that he, Rudy, understands his, Hakeem's needs. 2. A mention that he has not been overly involved with the money-contract aspect of it, but that CD has been working hard to get both Hakeem and Rudy's wishes satisfied. 3. He really, really wants Hakeem to be part of the team. Conspicuous by its abscense was any mention that Hakeem will be the focus of this year's team gameplan. IMHO that may be a one of the major stumbling blocks in the negotiations. Despite Hakeem's on and off again "teamsmanship" media front, he may want a public declaration that he will be at the forfront of the team's offense. A prediction: If Rudy and CD go before the cameras again and the same type of public "appeal for understanding" (my quotes)on the Hakeem Contract talks is presented ... well, that indicates to me that the Rockets are getting ready to take off the gloves, and maybe go in another direction. That they have reached an empasse. Nike: To answer your question: I don't know. Crispee: Oh. Well. Then never mind. I thought you were being specific. aelliott: Where the hell have you been? Ah ..... but, thanks anyway. ------------------
Sorry man. That comment of mine was not supposed to cut deep, just scratch and irritate. Kinda like all the tse tse, flukes, and other assorted parasites you missed in Subtropical Africa. That would make Les fall over and have one of his apoplectic fits of rage. I really did not want to get into the merits of long term versus short term contracts, or even salary ranges for our FAs. That has been rehashed ad nauseum elsewhere since late March. But .... my comments anyway (you knew that was coming,eh??): 1. On the surface of it, Hakeem at $17M or thereabouts seems excessive. Again it may not be the total amount as much as the two years. It may be that I have as many questions about his ability, not desire, to affectively make it 50 plus games this season. Let's not even mention my apprehension about him standing up straight for another 50 games in the second season. But given the alternative (No Dream, and no immediate replacements) I could maybe see my way to accept the overall spirit of the contract. 2. I would prefer a five year contract with MoTay, even if it means pinching other contracts elsewhere. seven years hurts my eyes even reading it. I also think he will take less than $8M a year. 3. I still would love to have Shandon returned, especially with the onset of the zone changes. But that six year contract is as equally scarry as MoTay's seven. I would bet a year's salary that Shandon would live with the middle in a four year deal. Frankly IMHO, he would be more than happy. 4. Mooch to a four year would appear to be acceptable, fair and adequate. ------------------
But that would mean we'd lose out on Achebe's loverboy Marc Jackson , right? My major problem with any deal like that is the fact that Houston would be overpaying for the 2nd year in that deal with Hakeem. It almost seems like extortion: "hey les, give me an extra guaranteed year or I'll go sign with someone else." I don't like that. Especially when he's not worth that much money. BTW, I know this is an often-cited fact... but Houston had mediocre rebounding in its title years. I know every team needs rebounding... but it does seem subordinate to fg% and ofg%. ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news.
crispyparty-Can Mo sign a 7 year deal? Not sure, but I think he can only sign 6. Kinda scary that Mo could sign a 6 year deal, and be 30 when it's over. I personally think they'll look to negotiate a 2 year deal, so Mo can show them all he can do, like he claims, and get LBR. Also, I'm confused on your Shandon sequence, if we're going to resign him, why are you renouncing him when he counts 2.86 mill unrenounced? We can't go over the cap the cap to resign him once we renounce him. Any two year deal with Dream better have Cato foaming in the mouth or we're going to be in some trouble at the 5 for a long time. oeilpere-I posted this before, but is that tidbitfrom your draft thread that made you "thrilled" but couldn't talk about, still on? ------------------ "I always thought Hakeem was the better offensive player and DRob the better defender." Spurever Shaq would probably agree.
