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Do not need stretch 4 or 3 pt specialist

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CARoxNut, Jul 11, 2013.

  1. WinkFan

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    The numbers are clear, but they don't account for things like spacing, and making sure the defense has to account for all 5 players. Ultimately, you still have to take some "bad" shots.

    It would be great if everyone on the team could shoot 3's and do everything else, but that is not realistic.
     
  2. Nubmonger

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    The Rockets pretty much ignored anything in between the 3-point line and the basket, and it gave them one of the best offenses in the league without the benefit of a training camp or comprehensive strategy.

    I think you're overvaluing "spacing" in this context, because we aren't talking about where you stand or where you move. We're talking about where you take the shot. No one is saying you can't go there - they're only saying you shouldn't shoot there (unless you're wide open). It's one thing to run a PNR and ignore the open jumper when the lane is clogged. It's another to have your guy post up, only to get stuck 10 feet from the basket, and still try to make some ridiculous jumper when there are two guys at the 3-point line ready to take their shots.

    The real key here is just understanding that you can threaten and even shoot the long 2, but to recognize that it isn't a high-percentage play. It's like stealing in baseball - you probably don't want most guys doing it in most situations, but with some players or in some contexts it can actually work in your favor, even over the course of a long season.
     
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  3. jtr

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    Sigh

    Daryl Morey has spoken. The mid range jump shot is by far and away the worst shot in basketball. Just look at one very efficient player - James Harden. He does take the mid range a small percentage of the time, but he is one of the better shooters in the league and many times that mid range shot is with the shot clock winding down. The majority of his shots are at the rim or 3 pointers.

    Required reading on this subject includes

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...-game-become-highly-efficient-scoring-machine.

    This article chronicles the evolution of Lebron's game from a 2 point chucker into a 3 point and at the rim shooter.

    I don't understand why people are so confused about this subject. Modern basketball theory is NOT rocket science.
     
  4. Htownballer38

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    You do know a stretch 4 ia a PF that can hit that mid-range set shot correct. That is exactly what we need.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    Excepting DMo hasn't proven yet to be good enough to be in the rotation, and Parsons and Garcia can play of the position in situations, but in others they could get matched up against real power forwards that will abuse them on the other end and on the boards. Ideally, I'd like to get a guy that can defend in the low post, but shoot from outside. DMo could be that guy, but he hasn't shown it yet.
     
  6. Htownballer38

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    I dont remember that either. LOL
     
  7. Htownballer38

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    That is wrong with the NBA now, everybody wants to shoot 3's. Man I miss when cats could shoot that mid range jumper.

    Gents we need a PF that can hit that mid range shot, live above the rim, hustle guy, decent defender and rebounder. We have a lot of 3 point shooters already.
     
  8. jtr

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    It was a completely different game back then. And Houston did not have 2 guards that depend on driving lanes. It will not work to have 2 paint dwelling big men. In fact the ideal half court set for the Rockets is the one we saw so many times last season. The center off the low block weak side and the other four players behind the 3 point line. Houston trusts their guards to be able to take a center one on one in the paint. The help defense, when it comes, leaves a player wide open for a 3 or the center wide open for a dunk (HELLO Dwight Howard!). Efficient basketball. Winning basketball.
     
  9. Htownballer38

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    Trust me I know that already. We dont need two big men clogging up the paint. Never said we do.
     
  10. TJ VS TR

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    TJ and Dmo can be classified as stretch 4s IMO.
     
  11. Defy9

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    I miss P-Pats corner threes, I think he would have been great playing next to Dwight.
     
  12. Aleron

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    Stretch 4 is actually a bit of a back handed insult, it refers to people who are tall can shoot 3's but have no actual pf skills (such as ryan anderson), it's gotten a bit muddled with kevin love who seems to be the rare exception that actually has both skill sets.
     
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    as at team the rockets SUCKED at shooting the long ball while neglecting all open midrange shot
     
  14. HR Dept

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    When comes to the point on the mid range jumper:

    There are three types of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. (Usually, In the hands of people who don't know wtf they're talking about.)
     
  15. Rockets2K

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    it may be to fans, but you hear NBA coaches and GMs refer to stretch 4s all the time and IM quite sure they dont mean it as an insult.
     
  16. WinkFan

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    We made the 2nd most 3's in the league, with the 8th highest percentage. How is that SUCKED?
     
  17. DraftBoy10

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    This is our offensive strategy. Why take semi-contested 16 footers when an uncontested 3pt shot is a better value?

    Defensively, though, that's where it's key to get the right person. The 4-spot wil be our main P&R defender, due to Dwight protecting the rim. We need someone that can hedge and recover. Developing a three point or learning defensive philosophies and/or having the defensive athletic traits. Down the stretch Parsons is our 4, but he's also our primary defensivemen, so we need someone else that can either play the 4 on D(as in rebound a bit) and/or be our end-of-game defensivemen on the Durants, Kobes, etc.

    I really wish we would've acquired Mbah a Moute from Milwaukee and worked on his 3pt shot.

    Dwight/Moute/Parsons would've been an excellent frontline defensively, whether it's pick & roll and/or cornering people into Dwight and/or penetration defense. That's what will make us elite.
     
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    What skill does Kevin Love have on the low block? He's face up mid-range PF with the range and tendency to shoot from deep. He's not going to back you down and drop ice cream scoops like Scola on you. He's a stretch 4, but a damn good one, and an excellent(if not greatest) rebounder in the L.
     
  19. DraftBoy10

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    Bad shots come due to poor time management. Spacing isn't an issue when everyone besides the one guy near the basket is a threat from far away(the further the greater). It's holding the ball, dribbling the ball or being indecisive, the ball needs to move(by penetration, passing or actually being shot into the hoop). If it stays, the defense stays, it's easier for them to read us, the longer it takers for a shot to get off, the harder it makes the shot. That's Harden's problem, he needs to address it. Oh yeah...and defense.

    Also prioritizing certain 3pt shots(corner one's) or select one's for some people(someone may be a 30% 3pt shotoer but corner 3s may be 46%, left side angle 3s be 40%), top of the key be 18%, etc. and getting them in the right spot is all that mattes.
     
  20. Aleron

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    You have it the wrong way round there, it's coach speak for does not have power forward skills, that's why you won't hear them calling Love, or anyone with exceptional mid range but solid pf skills (such as Duncan or Aldridge) a stretch 4
     

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