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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, Sep 2, 2020.

  1. AleksandarN

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    I swear if the Democrats' take both the presidency and the senate they better not make the same mistake Obama did in his first two years in office. They need to push through and undo all of the damages that the the republicans did starting with strengthing the affordable care act and reversing the cooperate tax cuts. No trying to work with the other side especially if the republicans did like the did last time.
     
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  2. Reeko

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    yup, they need to be cutthroat and drop the nice guy routine...we’ll see what happens

    Democrats stay trying to appease and capitulate...Biden stopping negative ads on Trump even tho Trump and the current crop of Republicans would never do the same
     
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    So what prevents all of that being again reversed whenever the Republican come back to power?
     
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  4. AleksandarN

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    Nothing that's the point the republicans don't care. Heck they knew that the majority of the people were against the tax cuts but they did it anyways.
     
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    At least Republicans will have to own the consequences of rolling back changes. The system today is designed to prevent Democrats from doing anything and consequently Republicans can rail against Democratic policies without having to actually legislate against them. You can see how the ACA repeal/replacement has gone for Republicans. The Republican strategy to run against the ACA worked until they actually had the opportunity to repeal it and instead its turned into a huge problem. Consensus governance appears to be dead now so the filibuster is now simply a tool to block legislation rather than a means to encourage bipartisan policy making.
     
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    I don't disagree that the filibuster is used quite a bit to block legislation and that consensus is dead. This is the essence though of several debates I've had is simply empowering the majority to run roughshod over the minority isn't going to bring it back. Given that the Democrats have been in the minority more of the time in recent decades they should appreciate that but instead have themselves strengthened the hand of the majority to get to where we're at now.
     
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    What will prevent them from doing worse right now? Like rushing an extremist USSC nominee through weeks before the election... while senators are being quarantined with COVID-19.
     
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    This looks like an outlier but we did have a few Biden +13, 14 polls recently.

     
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  10. Amiga

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    Who would have thought Biden 2nd largest age group of supporters is 65+?

     
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    Biden is winning all white groups except for men non college educated


     
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    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Obamas mistake?

    It seems people don't have a great grasp of what actually happened in those 1st 2 years.

    Yes he tried to build consensus but the real issue was Republicans being obstructionist on a unprecedented level and congressional democrats not being united.

    Just look at Trump who has both the Senate and the house his 1st 2 years and even he could not push things through as shown by the ACA still standing and no wall.

    If you don't work with the other side nothing usually gets done.
     
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  16. rocketsjudoka

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    Also it wasn't just the Republicans during the first two years of Obama. Obama also had a tough time keeping the Democrats in line. Just to note that Joe Biden as a long time Senator played a pivotal role in helping to convince reluctant Senators to back both Obama's stimulus bill and the ACA.
     
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    Obama didn't even get two years. The Democrats didn't get 60 Senators until July 2009 because Al Franken's win in Minnesota went through a recount and then a drawn out court fight. And Democrats then lost a Senate seat in February 2010 when Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's old seat.

    So in reality, Democrats had less than a year of a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. Given that Democrats had less than a year without obstruction, its pretty impressive they did as much as they did.
     
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    Funny. I was in Arizona a month ago thinking I couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a Trump voter.

    It does the heart good to see the change. Maybe this goes along with the older population tending toward Biden now (AZ a popular retirement destination).
     
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    Yes, but the Mussolini rip-the-mask-off while wheezing on the balcony..........Trump will gain a lot of votes with that made-for-TV event!

    PSHAW.
     
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  20. geeimsobored

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    +11 in a high turnout scenario in Pennsylvania is a complete disaster for Trump. That means Biden is dominating the Philadelphia suburbs and winning back northeastern PA (and some ancestral Democrats in Western PA).
     
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