[ClutchFans] The Day T-Mac Lost the City of Houston

Grow up? We're criticizing your idol and your response is "Well, you aren't a better ballplayer than Tracy, so you can't criticize basketball players." Aside from that being inherently ridiculous, I can respond with "Well, you aren't a better coach than Rick, so you have no right to question his decisions with Tracy." This is Rick Adelman's team, not Tracy McGrady's, and if Rick decides something, that's the way it is.

I'm a rational human being who is not going to fall for the sentimental junk that if the rich just gave up everything they owned, there would be no poor people and everyone would be happy. Regardless, this is junk as it has nothing to do with McGrady.

He'll get his own stats at the expense of the team, in a way similar to Iverson. That simple.
And yes, I trust Adelman over McGrady, as Adelman has done far more for the Rockets organization than T-Mac. It's that simple. (And if you go OH TMAC COULD HAVE WON IF HIS SUPPORTING CAST WAS BETTER 4 YEARS AGO, that's irrelevant. I don't care what T-Mac did 4 years ago. I care what's he done recently and it's far inferior to what Adelman has done for the team).

 

I think the problem on the board is based upon what you, the individual poster, knows about the whole situation. Hence this healthy discussion on what we should do with Tracy.

There are and will always be T-Mac fans. They will like him blindly and want him to have that chance to get back to being T-Mac. These fans still think he can be that. That's a fine assumption. Sometimes though, the love is too blind.

Then there are fans of the team who really don't care about Tracy right now. Let's support whoever is on the court. 13-10, heck yeah. We are off to a better start than what the experts thought and look we are still talking about this. Let's just focus on those guys who are wearing the uniform. And if Yao and Tracy get back healthy, then we are going to be even better. If they aren't, we'll still roll with Brooks, Scola, Landry, Lowry, etc and trust that Morey will put this team in a great position to win.

On the opposite side of the T-Mac loyalists, you have the Tracy doubters per say. These are the posters that hear things directly about the daily happenings. Those ones that know what things are like behind the scenes. It hasn't been all roses with this guy. He does things on his own terms and still thinks he rules the roost. That just can't be the case when you are dealing with a TEAM. Going to Stephen A last year was just one of the problems they had. Not conforming to RA's offense was another.

Me, I would like to see him get healthy where he is playing every night. No more in and out of the lineup. How can we blame the organization for deciding to change course? Before, they let Tracy decide what games he played. Now because he is in a contract year, he wants to play in all of them. The team just wants to make sure that he is healthy. They outlined from day one after the microfracture surgery what they expect. Practice on a consistent basis and show that he can fit into the offense is what they want.

They want a winning product on the court. You think Daryl and RA like the fact that $40 million is sitting on the bench in street clothes every night? No, if they had their way, those two guys would be healthy and playing great ball with their teammates.

Let's give those two guys the benefit of the doubt that they are waiting patiently for health. And if the guy is traded, it's because the past was too much to forget, they don't see him returning to T-Mac status, and/or they found a deal that makes this team better.

 

He puts you to the heaven with the 13 in 33 video and put you back to hell with the Toronto quitting video.

If he has the heart of a champion, he would be one hell of a super super star at kobe's level.

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Stevierebel again.


DD

 

a perfect summary. thank you.

 

You're putting words into my mouth. T-Mac is not my idol, I don't believe in idols. Every one makes decisions and experiences some form of management in life. I have experience, thus I can criticize Adelman. I can't dunk the ball, so I can't complain about people missing dunks. It's simple logic. If you don't understand, good wishes.

Who said I was Robin Hoody? Make the rich give up whatever they own? I said for ppl to earn astronomically big numbers for entertainment isn't wise. It's a separate discussion, and I have no problem arguing with you about this. It's a discussion for grown-ups. LIFE!!

You say 'HE WILL put stats'. I asked 'how IS he' holding the team back. Understand past, present, and future tense before you post.

 

I know he is talent. I know he can score. I know he has injuries. All true.

But I also know he tank many games. He has a well history in tanking. I also know his attitude is highly questionable. I never saw him hustle in defence. If anybody saw him fighting a lose ball like Landry or throwing his body like Lowry or giving his nose to an elbow like Scola, please tell me.

I don't see any contradiction between talent, injury and p***y attitude. They can happen at the same time same person. Nothing to argue.

 

Tracy just came off of microfractive surgery ie.(go see what happened to Amare Stoudamire last season), I personally am not willing to expirement and see if he can play or not at the cost of losing games plus destroying chemistry with the old in and out routine that we painfully witnessed last season. He's going to play when the team feels that he's going to be there every game and until then everybody is just to have to wait. And I would rather see him play hard and attacking for 25 minutes a night instead of logging 35 minutes and taking every other play off, Im sure Adelman feels the same. Tracy needs to play balls out when he comes back to fit in with this current team and if he can do that, then the dynamics of this team will change overnight. Remains to be seen if he can do that.

 

Clutch, your approach is different. Theres a big difference between one who constantly attacks personally thinking its funny and changes signatures every day to support his ideologies than one who states his arguments in a professional manner and knows his limits.

 

Exactly, and honestly, they are asking him to do something he has not been known to do his entire career.

I am sure it is hard for him to swallow, that they expect him to play hard on both ends, and work within the system, and let others make plays for him as well as him making plays for others.

It is a MASSIVE change to the game Tmac has played his entire life, and if he can't make the adjustment, they won't play him.

I see nothing wrong with this at all......it is up for Tmac to adjust, not the team.

Clutch is just nicer than those types of people.......those types of people are the straw that stirs the drink.....



DD

 

I'm off now, have had enough. Good day.

 

Thank you from all the Rocket fans !!!

DD

 

So coaches can be criticized as you apparently would know how to coach a team, but a basketball player can never be criticized because they have superior physical gifts to us. But no one criticizes McGrady for not being physically gifted, we criticize him for his inability to play within the team dynamic, his soft-heartedness, and his lack of effort. These are things which any human being can experience, and so we are capable of criticizing McGrady. Either way, under your brilliant logic, we can never criticize a NBA player for any of their decisions, as they have better physical gifts than we do. Stupid.

It is a separate discussion, but I'll just say that given the effort they need to put in, highly cutthroat nature of the sport, and the hectic lives they live thanks to basketball, it is logical to assume that NBA players would be paid quite a bit of money. And who are you to determine what is wise or not?

Aside from sucking up cap room? At the present he isn't doing anything overtly harmful, thanks to Adelman's decision to sit his ass until we're 110% sure he's ready. But if we go along with your armchair coaching and shove him in, than he will harm the team in the ways I've already mentioned

 

You don't think he realizes that, didn't he come back from injury and fit right in when we started the streak. He even said it himself that he just wanted to fit in with the team.

 

allen iverson said that with the Pistons, Nuggets, and Grizzlies - yet they all got better once they moved him.

shaq said that with phoenix and miami, and they both got better once they moved him.

not saying Tracy = AI or shaw, just saying that there are certain types of players that can't "just fit in". their style of play distorts the team game too much.

 

Yes, I do know of this, but if we do ever have garbage time (as in we blowout a team), do you think it would benefit the team more if that time went to Jermaine Taylor, Brian Cook or Tracy McGrady. Honestly I would like to see Tracy McGrady play because Jermaine Taylor is still undeveloped, me and some of my friends were talking about how he is just another dunker AT THE MOMENT, he needs more development than any other player on this team. So would it be wise to send out an undeveloped player? On Brian Cook's case, well I honestly believe he is just here because he had a player option. Back to Tracy McGrady, if I had the choice I would toss him in there not only to see how he does against some other players, but also to quiet down the media and all this talk on "Oh when is Tracy going to play" or "Give him another chance" because I am just sick of it and I am pretty sure most people will agree with that.

 

What happened to you not taking over this thread because you had said your peace on the matter?.............

 

And DD, if the guy can just play hard on every possession, his chances of getting past the first round go up incrementally. Im not a big believer that you can turn it on and turn it off in any sport. When Tracy is attacking the basket hard he's unstoppable and good things happen for his team. But when he starts up with his half hearted bail out midrange jumper with a 6"4 checking him, it infuriates me to no end. He's better than that. I have always said that this guy needs a good sports pyschologist to help him with his mental toughness.

 

No my ultimate gripe is what I said. I want to see it for myself. You may choose to listen to him, I don't. What's the problem?