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Chinese Virologist post report claiming virus made in Wuhan lab

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Sep 15, 2020.

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Is she lying

  1. Yes - Hired by mtv for new show loose women chicks on the run

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  2. No - she’s really Chinese and she knows secrets

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  1. tinman

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    As long as she's not in Oakland or San Francisco
    @B-Bob @rocketsjudoka

    She won't get attacked by the homeless hitmen there
     
  2. tinman

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    Oh she's in New York now,
    Watch out for them criminals, they hating

    She's talking to some other dude in New Dehli too

     
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    I get it.... you mad at the poll results. Keep trying....poor man’s Carl Herrera. :cool:
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...-coronavirus-emerged-from-chinese-lab.304955/
     
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    for most of the media, and for @Sweet Lou 4 2 , @FranchiseBlade , and @SamFisher , this issue became more about branding DJT as a racist, than about determining the origins of a virus that killed many thousands of Americans. Even Cuomo's murderous treatment of senior citizens took a back seat to maintaining the Trump = Rayciss narrative.
     
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    Old Crazy Clock looks right twice a day... LYING MEDIA SAID DA DAMN THING WAS BROKEN N USELESS
     
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    "The Virus Lab Theory’s New Credibility":

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-virus-lab-theorys-new-credibility-11622066808?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

    The Virus Lab Theory’s New Credibility
    The evidence catches up to Fauci and other Wuhan Covid deniers.

    By The Editorial Board
    May 26, 2021 6:06 pm ET

    President Biden on Wednesday ordered U.S. intelligence to dig deeper into the origins of Covid-19, a reversal after he reportedly ordered a State Department investigative unit shut down. Mr. Biden is trying to cover for his embarrassing closure of the investigation because the dam has finally broken on the evidence that the virus may have escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). The shame is that it took so long because the suspicious facts have been apparent from the start.

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    In January 2020, international media began reporting about a virus spreading in the Chinese city of Wuhan. “The coronavirus could result in a global pandemic,” said Sen. Tom Cotton on Jan. 30, 2020. “I would note that Wuhan has China’s only biosafety level-four super laboratory that works with the world’s most deadly pathogens to include, yes, coronavirus.”

    The world would learn more about Covid-19—and the WIV. But it was always reasonable to ask if the virus came from a nearby lab that handled dangerous viruses. On Feb. 6, 2020, Botao Xiao of the South China University of Technology posted a paper concluding the virus “probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.” But the Chinese government strictly controls research into Covid-19’s origins, and the molecular biomechanics researcher withdrew his publication.

    The Communist Party then went on offense, with Beijing’s ambassador to the U.S. declaring that lab-leak theories were “absolutely crazy” and could “fan up racial discrimination, xenophobia.” After Mr. Cotton responded by calling on China to “open up now to competent international scientists,” the media chose denial: “Tom Cotton keeps repeating a coronavirus conspiracy theory that was already debunked” (Washington Post) and “Senator Tom Cotton Repeats Fringe Theory of Coronavirus Origins” ( New York Times ).

    The public-health clerisy also set boundaries for allowable discussion. On Feb. 19, 2020, the Lancet published a statement by scientists condemning “conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.” Although some academics quietly dissented, the document was promoted as proof that the lab possibility was “debunked.”

    The Lancet statement was organized by Peter Daszak, whose nonprofit has funded research at the WIV. He had a clear interest in dismissing the lab theory, which could put future research dollars at risk. The zoologist served on the World Health Organization’s investigatory team dispatched to Wuhan earlier this year. Mr. Daszak still insists the lab-leak theory is preposterous—though three of the Lancet signees have since said it deserves more consideration.

    In May 2020 Dr. Fauci dismissed the lab theory in an interview with National Geographic. But his National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases had funded the WIV through Mr. Daszak’s nonprofit. Even if U.S. funding didn’t go directly to research that potentially caused the pandemic, it’s still problematic.

    Prominent Republican officials like Mike Pompeo and Donald Trump began to support the theory, but they were accused of trying to distract from the Administration’s pandemic missteps. Dr. Fauci’s dismissal also came as news reports relished the divisions between the White House and scientific advisers. CNN declared that “ Anthony Fauci just crushed Donald Trump’s theory on the origins of the coronavirus.”

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    This dominant narrative eventually ran into a problem: No one has discovered a natural origin for Covid-19, and new information is making a blanket denial of a lab leak indefensible. The most significant disclosure came from Mr. Trump’s State Department in January.

    “The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses,” the fact sheet read. It noted that the WIV maintains links with the Chinese military and had not been transparent or consistent about its work on viruses similar to Covid-19. The Biden Administration largely accepted these findings in public, though and even Dr. Fauci recognized the possibility of a lab leak this week.

    The WHO’s Wuhan visit this year produced little new information but ruled a lab leak “extremely unlikely.” National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan criticized the inquiry. Even WHO director-general Tedros Ghebreyesus called for “further investigation” into whether the virus came from a laboratory. This month a group of scientists published a letter in the journal Science noting “theories of accidental release from a lab and zoonotic spillover both remain viable.”

    This scrutiny should have started a year ago, but media partisanship derailed fair discussion. Many “experts” made political calculations and fell prey to groupthink rather than following the science.

    This isn’t merely a score-keeping exercise. The Wuhan origin story is vital to understanding how to prevent the next pandemic; how to better run dangerous labs; and how to defend humanity. The world still needs an honest and open investigation.


    Appeared in the May 27, 2021, print edition.

     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    What are you talking about? He was accurately branded as a racist long before Covid19 ever hit.

    Maybe you should link the post I made to which you are referring.

    For the record, if it came from a lab let's hype that, and move towards shutting that crap down. Make it known. Show the proof and if possible hold people accountable.
     
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    Facebook is now allowing posts about this conspiracy theory. They caved to the china haters.
     
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    She’s hot. I trust her.
     
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    As long as they keep the Jan 6 Big Lie Conspiracy out....
     
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    Are you saying the media prevented the government and intelligences from doing their own fact finding?

    Trump is a racist and the Covid was a lab leak can both be correct. Obvi.
     
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    By all means, we should listen and trust Talking Heads on 24 hour news channels, who last studied biology decades ago as a freshman in high school and likely did not get top marks, deducing from their comments.
     
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    This is moving goal posts. The debate then was around whether the virus was manmade or genetically altered, and now its wheather it leaked from a lab. Those are two different things.

    In terms of Fauci, here is the actual quote in NatGeo:

    “If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now, [the scientific evidence] is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated … Everything about the stepwise evolution over time strongly indicates that [this virus] evolved in nature and then jumped species,” Fauci says. Based on the scientific evidence, he also doesn’t entertain an alternate theory—that someone found the coronavirus in the wild, brought it to a lab, and then it accidentally escaped.
     
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    Incorrect. Very early on it was discussed the virus was brought back from a remote cave and escaped from the lab, accidently or intentionally.

    Early on, this suggestion was branded as right wing propaganda and racist.
     
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    Clean teeth and the Warby Parker
    She ain’t some hood chick
    She’s. Doctor
    Put Rezpek on her Name
     
  19. tinman

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    99ers are right but we’re not right
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    I and others were skeptical on the intent if the lab theory were true. The why was always the bigger deal. Most of the credible reports are saying it leaked out as a mistake rather than a deliberate dirty bomb. So when Sen Hawley implied bioweapon, it could indeed be racist even if really came from a lab.

    So just because the foot is wedged in the door, we have to assume those peddling the theory are as even keeled compared to the troll skulking away at Mardor a Lago who threw out the accusation to deflect away from his own incompetence and neglect?

    Do we really want to crack open those archives and give points for people who were "right"?
     
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