[Chad Ford Insider] Hou working on 4 team deal [Update: Done Deal - Ariza for C Lee]

I only check out RealGM forums wheber a rumour is sourced from there and that is not very often. The guy who posted this rumor had previously claimed Adelman was going to leave the Rockets before last season began.

 

Adelman brought up the lack of defense from the Brooks-Martin backcourt. Add Budinger in a 3-way and the D is going to simply be awful.

 

You have to give to get. To get cap space and young talent you were going to have to move a valuable, but more expensive asset. That's Ariza.

From a basketball perspective, Battier and Budinger can handle the responsibilities Ariza would have had as the fifth option. Then, when you factor in Lee is a major upgrade over Jermaine Taylor as a backup shooting guard it makes sense.

I don't see this negatively affecting the Rockets win/loss record in the upcoming season, while saving Les a lot of money in the process.

 

Thats what they get for trading away their defensive person at SF. Now thats a reality they have to live with in hoping Budinger develops a little better defense or go back to Battier who has limited offensive skills and a deteriorating defensive ability.

Thats why it makes sense to go Budinger and begin the process of making it so he learns through his starting role. He is young and developing and Battiers is on his way out soon anyways.

 

I understand the swap financially, and in basketball terms. Both are similar. Inefficient defensive players that play off of stars. My problem with this is why didn't we get just Collison from New Orleans straight up. He's the most valuable asset by far and it came real, real cheap.

 

I mean why hold back? So Budinger can learn on the fly next year when we are closer to competing? No might as well get his learning process over now and have Battier gone next year and Budinger already ready to take over on the better team. That way we dont have to keep waiting and devloping players every year. Lets do it this year and get it over with. Be ready for next year.

 

Just to add more, I think is a set up for another trade. Not saying that to stir things up. I think the cap savings here will go somewhere else, whether it's a big trade or not I don't know.

I really don't care about the move, I'm indifferent. There are some intangibles though I'll miss with Ariza gone. IMO he was the best Kobe defender, if we ever would trust him on Kobe. Those split moments he was on Kobe he read him like a book. Just some intangibles I noticed in general, he would step up and make big shots. And he was our best overall athlete in our rotation. 6'9, long, and was a very good help defender.

 

New Orleans was looking to Posey's contract in the process which is 2 years $6 million per. That is kind of against what Morey was trying to do by dumping salary to save on the luxury tax.

 

Woah... This trade came out of nowhere. I heard it on the radio driving home... WTF? Ariza didn't even get to play with Yao yet... Salary dump and nothing else. Not really seen C.Lee play so I can't say if it's a good trade or not. I'm sure he's got a decent D... or else this is a f***'n fail...

 

ariza was good for us! WTF! we're a defensive team, this is nuts

 

you do realize battier starting doesnt mean much other than seniority and being captain, as he'll get about the same minutes as bud. you're basically complaining about a title, not actual playing minutes.

 

Pulling the plug on what? The Rockets couldn't get crap for Yao Ming right now and his contract expires after the season. It's a good calculated risk to see if one of the dominant big men in the league can return. If Yao gets hurt again then they can start over. This salary dump is the reason the Rockets are in a good position. The Rockets are two deep at every position with mostly good contracts, cap flexibility and draft assets. And for Christ's sake, it's not like the Rockets are old at all. Go look at the Mavericks roster.

You should be b****ing at your hometown team. Trevor Ariza is not going to keep Chris Paul in New Orleans and they just traded a nice, cheap point guard replacement for a role player who can't shoot. After Chris Paul leaves town the team will be right behind him.

 

I'm never happy when we take a downgrade in talent just to save the owner some $$.

 

I was happy having Ariza on the team but it's weird how so many people are missing him now that he's gone. I think at the minimum this is a parallel move talent-wise while obviously a gain in finances. Ariza was a solid defender but I don't see how this affects our focus as a defensive team, particularly when Shane Battier is replacing him as the starter and is even more effective with the return of Yao Ming.

 

and add Yao back under the rim or miller and it's pretty much a wash. Don't expect as many guys going to the rim when we have dept int he 4/5 now.

so you want to bench a player in battier, who can help now, so we can develop bud who's probably not ready now, so we can compete next year, because you're tired of waiting?

Yeah, makes perfect sense.

 

I dont think it will be a title. Starter minutes and to begin the game or end the game as a starter are still starter minutes. You dont get much more on the job training than being a starter. Budinger deserves those minutes by his play ascending as it has. Battier skillas are declining and he is leaving. His exit makes it apparent you need to get Budinger in the position to replace him on defense at some point. This is as good a opportunity as any. If you dont have him guarding some people this year? Your just gonna have him doing next year when we have a better team and no Battier probbably behind him. Thus hindering that teams future success and capability which will most likely be better than this team and gives you a greater chance to win. I see no good in having Battier start over Budinger making that process like that.

 

How do you know Ariza is not more effective with Yao? They didn't even get to play with each other.

 

i'm hopin that this is just a preparation to a much bigger trade..

 

At some point in this season with Budinger getting those minutes. I expect him to be playing better than Battier at the end of the year or around midseason with his starting role. He will eventually be able to hold some players defensively or have Battier or Lee hold them in spots for him and we can sope with it and he can provide a real boost on offense to take away that extra scoring anyways. So yes its good for now and the future.

 

Having read this ENTIRE thread, the thing I want to know most is...HOW DO YOU IGNORE PEOPLE? There are at least three people whose posts I never want to read again.

Also, I like the trade.