[Chad Ford Insider] Hou working on 4 team deal [Update: Done Deal - Ariza for C Lee]

Bottom line Ariza is a better player than Lee. He would contribute more to the Rockets this year than Lee would have. This is without any other moves on Morey's part with the flexibility that is gained in this trade.

Talent wise the Rockets got worse.

 

You mind telling us how he sucks, besides simply posting his 3 pt % during an off year? Some actual analysis would be nice. Sorry, if that's too much to ask for, just trying to keep it real.

 

Jonathan Feigen podcast on 610 about the trade:

http://cbskiltam.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/jonathanfeigen_081110.mp3?dl=1

 

34% three point shooter last year on an awful team that couldn't create open looks.

40% three point shooter the year prior on a Finals team that created open looks.

Replacing a 33% three point shooter (#11 on team in AFG%) that was taking almost 6 attempts a game and in the way of a 37% three point shooting back up at SF (#3 on team in AFG%).

Started both years in the league, being brought in to back up a 36 mpg near-All Star SG. Replacing a 6-3 combo-guard that would have been a major question mark if Martin missed a stretch of games.

Courtney Lee is going to fit in very well.

80% of the production, 200% of the efficiency, 20% of the price.

 

Can we agree that we just traded a starter for a bench player? Who cares who is better, if we don't make another move, we got bent over and slapped in the ass.

 

What does that grace give him? He doesn't create his own shots, doesn't get to the free throw line, doesn't get any assists. I guess he takes care of the ball well, so that's one thing.

 

I think the stats go back to where they were based on his minutes are now against the 2nd string.

 

Make me a Moreyon cap when he does land us Granger or Mellow. Put it on my preorder list so that i dont have to pay for it until it happens. Around the year 2012 should be worth something then maybe? :grin:

 

That off year encompasses the vast majority of his playing time as NBA player.

 

Lee's rookie season:
25 mpg; .450 fg%; .404 3fg%; .830 ft%; 2.3 rpg; 1.2 apg; 1.0 spg; 8.4 ppg

Budinger's rookie season:
20 mpg; .441 fg%; .369 3fg%; .770 ft%; 3.0 rpg; 1.2 apg; 0.5 spg; 8.9 ppg

They are quite compatible. Bud is a better rebounder (taller) and a slightly more prolific scorer. Lee is a lot more efficient and has more steals.

 

...and he's 24. A year younger than Ariza, scoring less than Ariza. All for the money.

 

But wait, everyone pointing to his rookie stats are saying his efficiency was better because he was playing with a dominant big man. Which is it? If that's the analysis you're going with, then you have to assume Chase's efficiency would have been even better playing with Yao his rookie season.

 

Salary dump for sure but it is good business on Uncle Les' part to not pay the luxury tax so I can't fault him there. It wasn't as if venturing into LT land was going to markedly improve their chances in the West anyway. However in basketball terms this is akin to rearranging the deck chairs. The record so far:

Resigned Lowery & Scola.
Added Brad Miller.
Replaced Ariza with Lee.

Since I never bought into the whole "Morey is a genius" fanboy cult, I am not surprised at the lack of truly impact moves by him this summer given the constraints under which he has to operate. This move doesn't make them a major player in the West and it does seem to portend that another move is in the offing.

 

Gonna go buy me a little Morey doll and poster and then some candles to make a sacrifice to Durga. Then perhaps the free agents will will buy into the Morey voodoo genius.

 

Doug Collins wants him bad. But from what leaked out of the Iggy trade talks, we wanted to have Ariza as part of the package.

So, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Iggy trade talk heat up again.

 

Looking ahead even further with the salary savings...Doesn't this help the chances of resigning A Brooks?.... considering hes up for a pay raise after this season barring another trade....if it does Id rather keep A Brooks over Ariza....

 

But not as a basketball player. The problem here is that some posters are assigning a HUGE and the majority of his talent value to that one year, yet are completely dismissing his first year. At this point both years , at the very least, hold the same value, and if you average it out, then the avg is better than the second year. If you take his college years into consideration it looks even better for him. Yes, the 3 pt line is longer, but it's not like he has shot 33 and 25%...then you can argue the 33 was a fluke and still on the lower end of what's considered a decent percentage, but 40% and 33%?

 

I like Lee for $2M better than Ariza for over $10M (when you factor in luxury tax cost). It's also a nice lateral move in that it opens up more playing time for Battier and Budinger, who are both better players than Ariza.

 

Trevor Ariza didn't do any of those things either, so what's with the sudden love affair? It's not like he was some dominant defender or anything, he was an adequate role player who played the passing lanes well and ran on the break. He's now playing for his 4th team in 6 years. Not exactly irreplaceable.

 

No. Artest was not going to accept what the Rockets would have offered, contract wise. So we used the Injured Player Exemption, not the MLE, to sign an asset that, in the end, didn't quite work out.

But Ariza has value and now we turned that into Lee and a nice trade exemption that will bear more fruit soon enough.

If we are willing to move Shane, we'll get Iggy.

If not, we could get Granger and Indy can reduce their payroll even more with our trade exemption.

Just 2 possibilities.