1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Case to Draft Reed Sheppard at #3

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Medicine N Music, May 20, 2024.

  1. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    16,923
    Likes Received:
    20,795
    That’s not the way athleticism works.
    You can have your opinions, but numbers are numbers.
     
    clutchdabear likes this.
  2. pippendagimp

    pippendagimp Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2000
    Messages:
    27,145
    Likes Received:
    21,472
    yeah it seems i missed a lot. 2 years in a row? so last may he called amen & cam as most underrated and/or best players available?
     
  3. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    56,982
    Likes Received:
    49,221
    He does have some misses as well, but you have to appreciate a BBS member taking some time to write up a thoughtful, detailed post.

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...-best-value-pick-w-all-star-potential.312674/

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/case-for-drafting-joe-wieskamp-at-23.312031/
     
    dmoneybangbang and J.R. like this.
  4. Rochut

    Rochut Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2002
    Messages:
    254
    Likes Received:
    273
    Elite shooting ensures Reed has a place in the league for the next decade. His absolute floor (bust insurance) is Grayson Allen and his mid- level outcome (not to mention ceiling outcome) is MUCH higher. Plug and play contributor in an area of desperate need for the Rockets.
     
  5. invocux

    invocux Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2022
    Messages:
    2,750
    Likes Received:
    3,525
    You know i was a bit harsh towards him. He's very small to play #2 i think but Cam Thomas and Anfernee are doing well. They are slightly taller than him. Also he could still grow an inch. I hope he has range because he will have problems getting cleaner looks. He could never be a 39-40% shooter in the NBA. I'd be fine with 37% though. Also if Fred stays size might become an issue. I like his shooting and bbiq which imo the 2 most important elements in bb today so that's good i just hope he was 2 inches taller but then he would be a clear #1 pick. I think we should prioritize Risacher and if he gets drafted go after Reed. One of Risacher or Reed has to slide down to 3.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    71,188
    Likes Received:
    49,727
    He called Sengun and Tari.

    They are my two favourite players.

    I have a feeling Reed will be in my top 3 favourite players.
     
  7. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    8,763
    Likes Received:
    12,139
    If it were just as easy as transferring a shooting percentage, then yeah but he'd probably be the #1 pick.

    My fear is that he's not more impactful than an Aaron Holiday or Garrison Mathews: good shooters who didn't impact the other parts of the game. Holiday's tunnel vision was a cardinal sin imo, so what if in between a bunch of bad minutes he made a 3 or two? I don't need that on my squad. Garry B also shot the lights out for a month and absolutely cratered the rest of the campaign. He was even willing to step in and take charges, wasn't exactly a shorty spice but the crash test dummy act took the piss out of him. There's any number of these guys available, they can shoot and are still fringe NBA players. This isn't what you spend a #3 pick on, it just isn't. Feels like this is the probable outcome for Sheppard. Bench shooter who struggles in the overall game.

    To his credit, I think he's far more advanced at playmaking than Holiday. His highlights are mostly coming around the pick and busting the 3, can he learn how to bend a defense with his gravity? I mean how do you envision this guy playing? Standing in the corner and hoping he shoots 50% from 3?

    While we're at it, let's all take a deep breath and back off any kind of thought that one player, a low volume shooter at that, is going to significantly raise the team's percentage. Geez. That's literally a teamwide development needed, saddling a guy we haven't even selected yet with that sort of thing is mind boggling to me. Oy.

    All that to say... if he were the pick I'm probably not upset. I'm not jazzed about it either. A shooter of that caliber could absolutely become a weapon but this is a real two-edged sword kind of pick. The three point shot is the biggest hammer in the game but you also have to be able to do something else to contribute. Even the GOAT range shooter has elite handle and playmaking. So do you take the shooter who has to develop something else or another athlete who has to develop a shot?

    If it's up to me, which it isn't, probably not the guy I'd pick. A 6'6" guy can develop a shot but a 6'1" shooter can't develop 5".
     
    No Worries, Dobbizzle and fchowd0311 like this.
  8. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    64,668
    Likes Received:
    27,660
    That's how they drafted a bust #2 overall in 2021, they drafted an athlete rather than a basketball player and just assumed they could teach him how to play and how to shoot.... and 3 years later he's still one of the worst shooters in the entire league.


    Let's give picking a guy that can actually play basketball a chance for a change.
     
    Shark44, clutchdabear and Corpusfan like this.
  9. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    71,188
    Likes Received:
    49,727
    Rather than typing up this novel, you might have wanted to look up Garry Bird's college stats and compared them to Reed Sheppard's.
     
  10. xtruroyaltyx

    xtruroyaltyx Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2011
    Messages:
    11,046
    Likes Received:
    13,621
    Honestly, at this point in the process I would think these kinds of statements and comparisons wouldnt be made.

    Lets back up a second. We're talking about Reed at #3 overall. Granted folks call this a "weak draft" but even in a stronger draft hes still at the least a fringe lottery pick.

    Holiday was a 3 year college player and was a 22 year old Rookie. Garrison is the worst onball defender ive seen and he was undrafted at 23. These players are not even in the same realm as prospects. Holiday and Mathews have performed about as expected as pros.

    Reed isnt just a shooter. Talking about Holidays tunnel vision when discussing Reed as a prospect makes little sense. As a true freshman he led Kentucky in assists. He's got good vision and is a willing passer. Garrison cant handle the ball or really do anything on offense except catch and shoot.

    Im not sure you really have a grasp on Reed as a prospect if youre vision of him is Garrison and Aaron Holiday. Especially Garrison...not even sure how anyone thinks Garrison is remotely in the same stratosphere.
     
  11. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    91,306
    Likes Received:
    43,996
    He is easily more athletic and faster than all of those comps combined.

    I do not see a Case for Clingan, Case for Risacher, Case for Castle yet so I guess it is up to Rafael to have the ultimate Say in this.

     
    Zen Tabak likes this.
  12. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    91,306
    Likes Received:
    43,996
    I think he is more of someone who has never entered the league.

    There are not many athletic white guys I can remember......Danny Ainge maybe, Rick and Brent Barry, Chase Budinger.......

     
  13. Dobbizzle

    Dobbizzle Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2021
    Messages:
    4,131
    Likes Received:
    6,702
    Tbh, this really needs to be made clear for any and all skill sets or player types we're likely to get from this draft. People are out here throwing out comparisons to players like Curry, Kyrie etc and getting offended by comparisons to players like JJ Redick. We'd actually be lucky to get a player as consistent as JJ in this draft, NOBODY projects to be a huge difference maker. I just don't understand why nobody's getting it, if any player in this draft was better than Jalen Green - undisputed number 1 pick. Same goes for Nash, Curry, Kyrie, "Chris Paul with a more lethal shot" (possibly the most ridiculous Reed overhype I've seen so far,) every single one of these ridiculous comps would make the player the guaranteed #1. Jalen in this draft? #1. Jabari? #1. Amen? #1. Sengun? maybe #1 despite where he actually got drafted (with him the main reason he wouldn't be is lack of exposure.) We are not getting a top pick at the same level as we did the 3 previous years, and people need to reconcile themselves with that.

    I think I've finally figured out why people hate Jalen so much though. Most people have absolutely no idea what a young developing star looks like, so they expect way too much. I feel really bad for whoever we do draft, because people are going to load expectations so far above their capabilities that they can never succeed in the fans' eyes. It's not at all surprising to me that the people making the most ridiculous comparisons (Nash, Curry, CP32.0, Kyrie etc) also happen to be the biggest haters on any of our young players any time they're not perfection incarnate. If they see CP3 and Kyrie when they look at Sheppard and Dillingham then no wonder they can't celebrate any positives in Jalen. Considering how much more talented a prospect he is and how much higher his ceiling is I can only assume that Jalen needs to be the perfect combination of Mike, Kobe, AI and Jesus to hit their projections.
     
  14. robbie380

    robbie380 ლ(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ლ)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    23,408
    Likes Received:
    9,929
    I haven't been able to find it but I remember seeing that he was basically consistently elite in all types of shooting during the NCAA season.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    64,668
    Likes Received:
    27,660
    It's that he's bad at basketball. It's always been that he's bad at basketball.

    If we draft another player who is bad at basketball and they show essentially no improvement in 3 years and are still one of the worst shooters in the entire league.... yeah they'll catch some heat about it to.
     
    clutchdabear likes this.
  16. Zen Tabak

    Zen Tabak Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,302
    Likes Received:
    2,594
    Mark Price with elite hands and timing on defense and a 42" vert has to be on the menu
     
    Shark44 and daywalker02 like this.
  17. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    91,306
    Likes Received:
    43,996
    Haha, of course I like all the old school players .... this guy will be playing pretty modern NBA ball.

    There is no knock on him but for all the Stephen Curry comparisons, I guess, Steph was more of an off ball player and consistently listed as PG although we know he is a very different breed of PG.

    Fred VV is the Combo guard that comes closest to being a Pure PG.
     
  18. roslolian

    roslolian Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    25,300
    Likes Received:
    15,338
    Numbers are numbers 6'1.75 and 6'5.5 are real and very important numbers.

    That's not an opinion, that's a fact. What's an opinion is you thinking being short and having trex arms won't matter in the NBA. Athleticism is just a means to an end, when you try to argue Reed Sheppard is just as athletic than Stephon Castle you are implying they will be able to do the same things on the court which is just fundamentally not true as Castle will be a better defender, rebounder an athlete out of the gate due to his superior length and height.
     
  19. roslolian

    roslolian Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    25,300
    Likes Received:
    15,338
    Too small sample size IMO.
     
  20. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    35,804
    Likes Received:
    25,419
    Someone has already mentioned. This has a lot to do with the "white guy who can shoot" stereotype.
     
    xtruroyaltyx and Zen Tabak like this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now