I think we should call them underachievers and players that cannot adapt to the NBA accordingly. Anyone who has a bust potential could very well turn it around.
I'm sure people were thinking the same about those guys because they too were considered top 5 picks.
Not really a fan of taking oldish guys that early so I'd be kinda upset if we end up with Murray. Davion Mitchell, Toppin, Duarte killed it and college and have been just OK. Would rather take a home run swing.
I hope Sharpe won't end up like diva Ben Simmons, if Stone selects him. We do need a home run , no doubt.
Duarte and Mitchell have done well. Adding Keegan Murray at this point doesn't negatively hurt the timeline.
Why do you think this, their games are not at all alike and Banchero is taller. With that said there are multiple players picked in the top 10 worse than Randle every year, I think there are going to be a lot of disappointed people dueing this rebuild.
@D-rock I am going to pull your talent evaluation card for liking this post. You know you don't believe this.
Drafting an "older" prospect isn't risky; most of those guys tend to be ready to contribute a lot sooner. Just from the past 3 drafts alone: 2021: Chris Duarte, Herbert Jones, Ayo Dosunmu, 2020: Obi Toppin, Precious Achiuwa, Desmond Bane 2019: DeAndre Hunter, Cam Johnson, Matisse Thybulle, Brandon Clarke Granted some of these guys went in the low 1st round and 2nd round but they're the high floor - low ceiling guys that you will need to add around your franchise guys. Look at how Bane's defense and 3 point shooting complements Moran'ts game; Thybulle should be a full time 3&D starter right now; Precious is playing huge minutes for Toronto in the postseason. Would I use a high lottery pick on an "older" prospect? Probably not because of their perceived lower ceilings but in the teens of a 1st round? It wouldn't be a busty strategy.
How do you define bust? Is Marvin Williams a bust? Because that is likely the type of player than Jabari Smith is if he doesn't play..... Is Harrison Barnes a bust? That is a low/medium outcome for Jabari Smith..... Do injuries contribute or decide if someone is a bust? It is possible that Holmgren struggles playing 80 games a year..... If Holmgren ends up like Marcus Camby, is that a bust? That is a medium outcome for him......
Just look at the muscle in their arms to see a difference. I m not saying Chet can't fill out, but there is a difference, Chet looks skinny those guys looked wirey.
That bust label gets thrown around way too much IMO. My definition of a bust is a guy who never contributes or plays major minutes for an NBA team, not do to injury. There is a difference between a disappointing player and a bust.
No one knows what Chet's weight currently is. He was at 188 at the end of his senior season. He was at 190 at the U-19 games He was 194 entering Gonzaga and the last I have seen has him at 195 lbs right before the seasons began. He is obviously very skinny, and likely will always be skinny.... but he will gain weight over the next few years. He is relentless and has a strong core, he bangs a lot better than his critics claim. He banged well against Jalen Duren for example that has 35 lbs on him. If I have questions about Chet and his weight, it isn't whether he can play at a high level and bang - it is that he may wear out over the course of 80 games.
funny that’s not what was being said about Mobley last year last summer it was built like a green bean Mobley was gonna be dominated because he was too skinny, had small shoulders, and a high ass…oops I posted these same pics last summer in defense of Mobley and was met with “AD and KG have bigger shoulders” by shoulder gurus on here as to why there should be so much concern with Mobley and why he’s 2 years away from being 2 years away as opposed to the others
If we didn’t have Jalen, Christopher, and KPJ I would be open to drafting Sharpe. He is the type of swing for the fences pick you need in the top 5. so what he has no game tape since HS. How much game tape did Kyrie have after HS. Kobe and tmac had zero.
Right. If we are going to go with flat out bust because of injuries, then I think it is Chet Holmgren. If it is bust because of a lack of NBA talent, then I guess it is Sharpe because we have seen so little. If we are going to say bust because their upside may be useful role player, then I think Holmgren and Banchero and Smith all could end up like that. To me, Banchero doesn't quite have the likely upside of Holmgren or Sharpe, but his floor is higher. He is going to score and he is going to rebound. Will he do it at a role player level only? I don't know.... but his floor is pretty solid.
This is definitely true but those were people who wanted Green over Mobley I am not saying people are not doing that to **** on Holmgren but it is more of a factor than Mobley IMO. People were also crying about high asses, and nobody says that about Holmgren. I think Holmgren is a special talent, but I am weary about his size, but I also think he might be on the perimeter way more than Mobley but that is a plus and minus. Holmgren does have more narrow shoulders than those 2 as well.
