AI for Battier, Alston and expiring contracts trade rumors

So does unicorns, pixie dust, muffler bearings, headlight fluid, flux compasitors and a water pump for a 68' Corvette...Mr. Tinkerbell.

JAckhole, lol. Queerist putdown on the net, lol.

Where is my ol' buddy Clutch when you need him to make sense of Neverland.

 

I am really struggling to imagine why the Nuggets would do such a trade, but if they are all right with it, so am I. A.I. is a HOF player people. HOF. Role players are not hard to get. HOF players are hard to get. Works for me. Unlikely, but if this happens, I will be a lot more excited about the Rockets than I am now. At the moment, I am planning for another 45 to 55 win season and early first round exit. Regular season entertainment is what it is. With the addition of A.I. or an A.I. caliber player, the off season gets much more interesting.

 

The biggest downfall to a trade like this is that it clearly makes Denver better. They're not going anywhere past the first round with the AI/Melo/Karl option. But give Melo and Karl a player like Battier, who will just by being in the locker room make them a better defensive team, and Denver gets better. Some may disagree. And AI is clearly the best player, by a long shot. But that team just doesn't play any defense. You'd have to assume losing AI, gaining Battier will slow them down a bit, and make them better defensively. Plus, as horrible as Rafer can be, it is at least a constant at PG that they've been looking for.

But, making another team better is no reason to not make a deal. This thread has already hashed out the plusses and minuses.

For me, I'd be on the fence, but like say okay if it was the Battier, Alston, Jackson for AI combo as mentioned.

But if I'm the Rockets, I push Denver to throw in Kleizas. The deal still works with him.

 

Well then call me crazy, because I don't want Allen Iverson (at the expense of losing Battier). Houston's defense would go into the crapper.......Battier is the #1 reason why Houston's defense didn't slip after JVG left and that defense is the #1 reason why Houston even made the playoffs last season.

People are completely forgetting what Battier brings to the table, he's the ultimate glue guy and does all the little things that ties rosters together. First of all, without Battier our backcourt would be extremely small (and will people stop listing Barry as a starter. 1.) he is 37 years old with bad hammies, he wouldn't last playing starting minutes. 2.) he is not a good defender, which is the reason why he got into Pop's doghouse and why SA was willing to let him walk), Battier also helps keep Yao and McGrady out of foul trouble. Without Battier elite wings are going to abuse and blow by whoever we have left to play the 3 and draw fouls on Yao or if Houston puts McGrady on them, McGrady is going to pick up fouls.

Allen Iverson is a great player, but he just doesn't fit here if we don't have that elite defender and glue guy (Posey type player) which is why people need to also stop comparing this trade to the trade that Boston did......this trade is nothing like the Boston trade.

Boston got one of the best (if not the best) defending bigs in the league, they also got a elite and one of the alltime best catch and shoot players...the type of player that doesn't need to dominate the ball to be effective and is a player that can fit into any system. They also didn't lose any size or defense when they made the trade..(like Houston wold be losing)....they actually gained size and defense. This is NOTHING like the Boston trade. Houston would have a smurf like backcourt.

Battier is the type of player that you can just throw at the other teams best player and then you don't have to worry about that player and then you can just focus your team defense elsewhere. Almost every championship team has that kind of player. If Houston is willing to trade Battier it needs to be for a Artest type player, a player that can actually bring size and defense to the table or it needs to be for a deal that brings a 3rd scoring option + a solid wing defender. Any other deal, I just can't see how it makes the Rockets a better team.

 

#3 sounds very likely. The dude wants to win and we give him a legitimate shot if he resigns for the cheap. Where else could he go AFTER his stint in denver, which would lead to another 1st round exit? Why not come here, he retains his bird rights, he gets a decent, but cheaper deal, followed by tmac resignign for cheap so we can go out swinging for the summer of lebron/dwade and bosh?

 

I wouldn't say we need to trade him at any cost,but I too have been saying that we didn't get enough for the 8th pick.
Gay had more trade value than that.
I wouldn't hesitate to trade Battier,Rafer and expiring picks for AI. Risk or not,it's worth doing it. IMO AI will be a HOF,it's only a question of when he will be there. He is not a total ball hog and has played successfully with a younger Deke and went to the NBA final with him. He not only has got quite a lot of gas left but he has the toughness and skill which our basketball club lacks.

 

nice one rowdy!! This should be put in to the random trade thread until somebody that is credible can vouch for these on-call ticket guys!! why don't we just say hey, i heard melo was included in the deal for carl landry, but that seperate cause we would have to do a sign and trade, is that minor? while im at it i heard paarty maarty was gonna be an allstar one day!! Come on clutch shut this madness down!!

 

Its not a bad trade, if you enjoy not having any depth on a injury prone team. But sure, lets trade our only healthy starters.

I like Iverson, but not much considering the make-up of our team. Its a nice day dream but Denver never improved with him so I dont feel like he is THE MISSING PIECE. Sorry, bash me and call me cynical, I just dont dig it.

 

people actually complaining about the rumor? We dont lose as much as somebody say in Battier and Alston. They are almost 30(or maybe already, cant remember), they are not the future of the rockets! AI is old too, i agree, but he proves he still can drop 40 any given night, and he can average at least 8 assists if he has the right teammate to pass to. Also with his salary off next summer would make our salary situation way more flexible.
If the trade is on the table, DO IT!

 

That's fine. Everyone has the right to their opinion.

 

We don't win big with role players. We win big with 111. If they can't we are doomed no matter what.

I know this is a matter of opinion and many here don't agree. I believe this team is a contender if 111 are healthy. I believe our role players are good enough to compliment them and Adelman is capable of bring them over the top. That's why I don't want to see the core break up unless it is a knockout deal.

As I said, normally, Iverson would be a knockout deal. But he is getting old. The window is extremely narrow. BTW, I think saving for 2010 is a big gamble at best. The chances of landing a big star like LeBron is pretty slim. I wouldn't bet the whole future of the team on it.

Battier is a trade asset. I'd rather use him to get a younger good role player than an aging star.

 

Haha @ people not wanting to tack on a HOF'er.

Battier is definitely our glue guy, and best defender, but, what has this lineup done for us come playoff time?

Nada.

People can harp about 'health' and all that, but T-mac and Yao, year in and year out have proven to be injury prone.

You add a guy like Iverson, and when either one of them gets injured, AI is more then capable of picking up the slack.

You guys who cling onto Battier, if Yao or T-mac goes down AGAIN this year, do you really want to rely on Battier and Skip for long periods of time?

The 22 game win streak was nice, but injuries sooner or later take it's toll on this Rockets team.

Reload with Iverson, and go to war with the star studded trio of Yao - T-Mac - AI and let the chips fall where they may.

 

Just like Boston and LA, right?

 

Exactly, I know the off-season can be boring, but really guys do you think our team is so scrubby, that a hint of news makes you have a wet spot in your crotch. We have a decent team when healthy. Morey is quite the numbers guy, and I dont see him over paying for one position. Iverson is a future HOF'er but I dont think the guy has much steam behind his engine. Why dont you go buy some National Enquirers or Star magizine. Start a fantasy football team. C'mon lets get real. Are you guys suckers?

 

If that beautiful Battier disappeared in every playoffs, what is so good about?

remember, Rockets are not a good team at all with all that kind of defense.

 

Cute play on numbers.

 

True or not ... that's why it's called a rumor and this has easily been one of the more exciting threads in the GARM this summer. If you don't like this thread then just ignore it and don't post in it. Why take personal attacks at people?

Furthermore I think this topic is worthy of it's own thread instead of posting in random trade thread where there's already 60 pages of true made up trades.

 

And Battier is nice defensively and all, but as long as we have a healthy Yao to roam the middle of the paint, we'll always be a good defensive team.

Just because we lose Battier, doesn't mean the Rockets automatically become weak defensively.

 

Dude, no one (as of now) is bashing your opinion of the trade. They are bashing your uncalled for slamming of the OP.