US Condoned Torture According to NonPartisan Report

Nothing new really. Bush sucks and screw you Cheney.

 

There is nothing wrong with the use of non-lethal and non-maiming torture such as the U.S employed during the Bush years. It was and is absolutely necessary when dealing with the terroristic enemies we are facing in this age, who adhere to absolutely no conventions or levels of decency.

The liberals who have cowered our government into disavowing enhanced interrogation methods have succeeded in making our country less safe, and empowered our enemies.

 

Torture is torture and you obviously dont know **** about what you're talking about.

 

You are incorrect that torture is needed to keep us safe. That isn't true and torture has been shown to be ineffective in gaining consistently reliable information.

You are also incorrect that it's liberals who are gotten the govt. to shy away from using torture. The people who convinced the govt. to do it were many including those who fought for the nation in WWII. They include those who were tortured by the "non-lethal and non-maiming" torture such as water boarding that was done by the Japanese on American POW's. It was brought on by the armed services who felt that torturing our enemies would open more American prisoners up to torture themselves. It was brought on by interrogators who learned that there more reliable and efficient methods of getting accurate information.

I'm glad that my own father who fought for the U.S. in the pacific during WWII fought for an America that didn't believe in torture. I would hope most people don't share your corrupted view of what this great nation stands for.

You are misinformed or mission a lot of information on the subject.

 

Such an intelligent reply... Please post more.

I know if I was a combatant on either side I'd much rather be "tortured" by the U.S government than by Al Qaeda.

Are you really so ignorant that you can't tell the difference between waterboarding which leaves no damage as compared to what islamist terrorist do to their prisoners? How many prisoners has the U.S killed? How many captives has Al Qaeda killed?

If you're an American and you're captured by an Al Qaeda affiliated group you are pretty much as good as dead. If you're a terrorist captured by the U.S you'll endure some discomfort but you know you will not be maimed or murdered.

 

You couldn't be more wrong. And you're reference to WW2 vets is not relevant to the current conversation.

Your father and all those of the greatest generation fought against a conventional enemy. Not the terrorists that we face today. And while the Japanese were known to be ruthless and murderous to their prisoners, it's fairly safe to say that a prisoner had a better chance of making it out of Japanese captivity than Al Qaeda captivity.

Without enhanced interrogation techniques, it is very likely that Bin Laden would still be alive at this time. But at least you could say you live in a country that "doesn't believe in torture".

Sounds like a trade you'd be willing to make.

You ****ing bleeding hearts make me sick. You people will be the downfall of this nation.

 

It depends on which prisoners you're talking about. I know that early on in the war some prisoners of the Taliban were treated relatively humanely and not tortured. Others were murdered, and the different groups have treated their prisoners differently. It's hard to make a blanket statement about the treatment of the prisoners.

What we do know is that Army and other armed forces have been in favor not waterboarding and not torturing because they believe that when we don't our prisoners have better chance at humane torture (among other reasons).

I also want to point out that it is possible to die from waterboarding. There also other damage that can be done from waterboarding. It isn't likely but it is certainly possible. It was tactic that WWII veterans and POW's faced, and wanted to be sure it was labeled as torture.

I'd also like to point out that as an American I would hope our nation sets it's sights a little higher than not treating prisoners quite as bad as Al-Qaeda. I don't think it's too much to ask our nation and our standards are a little higher.

But even if they weren't, the fact that torture isn't as effective as other interrogation methods, I'd rather stick with what works.

 

Once this nation trades in it's values it's already into the downfall. What you said about Bin Laden certainly isn't provable with what we know so I won't bother arguing with you about that. But we do know from interrogators that other high level Al-Qaeda members who were captured gave up all their relevant information without the use of torture. Once the CIA came in and started using the enhanced interrogation techniques the prisoners gave up the same information they'd already given up before that was accurate, but then continued to provide more information that turned out to be false, but they just kept talking to get the torture to stop. This caused the U.S. to waste manpower, resources, and supplies chasing false leads. Those men, resources and supplies could have been put use toward real threats, and thus torture endangered our troops more than they would have been without the U.S. using it. That's the main reason to not use it. So that we can fight smarter and better save our troops and dedicated men and women fighting.

Please don't spout BS about people who disagree with you being the ruin of this nation. We can disagree on how to get there, but we both want to triumph over terrorism and terrorists.

 

I thought Obama was going to shut this down? huh

 

What is this thing where you post some idiotic bull**** and that somehow requires a reply other than calling it what it is?

Waterboarding, sensory and keep deprivation are torture. This "enhanced interrogation" phrase is a specialty of modern conservatism where you guys take a word and then try to create a new bull**** meaning by simply using a new phrase. It's not torture, it's enhanced interrogation *wink**wink*. Give me a freaking break.

Whatever Al-Qaeda does to people doesn't make it okay for us to do. We have a certain set of morals that we don't throw out the window when it's convenient.

 

Not sure if serious. If the enemy has no compassion, why should we? The ends justify the means.

 

USA have to set the leading example. Of course terrorists will treat their prisoners worse than we do. They have no morals.

USA were founded on a set of principles. The downfall of this nation will be when we go away from those set of principles.

 

If I'm not mistaken, the US under the Bush administration have tortured suspects that may or may not be actually terrorists. Surely you wouldn't want that?

"many held without charge or trial for more than a decade."

If we were to ever torture terrorists, than they should go through a fair trial first.

 

yeah, it's not like the United States violating its' own constitution, and brazenly violating its' own values and international values is an end to a means for say a terrorist organization.

seriously, A-Q has been a major political force in the US. y'all are getting played. say goodbye to Fourth, Fifth, and Eighth Amendment rights taken for granted, say goodbye to "America the moral leader", and for what, a bunch of people who wanted to damage America (and did more indirectly than they could ever hope to do directly?)

 

We need a non-partisan report to determine if this report is non-partisan.......

 

Following our own laws is the minimum thats expected of us. That's not compassion.

The mean is torture but you don't really know the ends because that's incalculable and that's the problem with your trite phrase.

 

This is the way it works. What would you prefer the government to do? Maybe instead of Guantanamo bay we should take the prisoners to the Hilton.

 

To bring in an international perspective, it is precisely because the world knows of US's violation of human rights, that the US has lost all moral ground in pressuring other countries to do the same. If the US is doing the same, why can't other countries torture their dissidents?

 

Too bad when he tried congress stopped him.