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US Condoned Torture According to NonPartisan Report

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  1. FranchiseBlade

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    The reason why it makes sense for the U.S. to fight terrorism is to preserve our values and to strive for the ideals that the nation believes in. If you give those up at the first sign of trouble then you either didn't really believe in them in the first place, or you've already lost what you were fighting for and there's no more reason to fight.

    If you think it's okay for you govt. to behave the way the enemy behaves then there is the problem. That philosophy doesn't stand with the philosophy this nation has long sought to exemplify.
     
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    Oblamer!

    Too bad Barry is too lazy to roll up his sleeves and work across the aisle
     
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  3. FranchiseBlade

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    hahaha. So you like the idea of closing gitmo but blame the party that did try and close it rather than the party that stopped the closing?

    You're exposing yourself more and more.
     
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    That is exactly what we are trying to say. Take them to the Hilton. :confused::rolleyes:
     
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    OK if the prisoners don't want to cooperate what should the government do? Just say OK you don't want to talk that's OK you have the right to remain silent. What is your proposal to get information maybe instead of torture we use bribery?
     
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    Follow the army manual, and use the techniques that have proven to be the most successful. There are many we don't necessarily know them all.
     
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    I don't know but I'm pretty sure that torture is one of the most successful techniques.
     
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  8. FranchiseBlade

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    It depends on what you mean by successful. The detainee will give you the information you want if they have it. They will also make up stuff, say whatever it is they believe you want to hear whether it's true or not.

    So while it is successful at getting the correct information, it isn't reliable because there are so many false leads it's a waste of resources.

    Previous high level Al-Qaeda detainees provided the information without torture to interrogators. Then under torture they provided that information as well as a bunch of false leads. Torture was not needed to get the useful information and when torture was used a bunch of BS came out that wasted resources and manpower that could have been used more efficiently.
     
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  9. jo mama

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    you are totally wrong. pretty much all the experts on interrogation say that torture is not only ineffective, but counterproductive.

    '24' is not real life...it is a tv show.
     
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    There's no such thing. If you're a terrorist, then you're not a Muslim.
     
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    I get the feeling that a lot of posters didn't read the whole article.
    Regarding this just being the work of liberal partisans.
    [rquoter]The panel, which included leading politicians from both parties, two U.S. retired generals and legal, medical and ethics scholars, spent two years examining the U.S. treatment of suspected militants detained after the September 11, 2001, attacks.

    Panel members interviewed former Clinton, Bush and Obama administration officials, military officers and former prisoners, and the investigation looked at U.S. practices at Guantanamo, in Afghanistan and Iraq and at the CIA's former secret prisons overseas.

    The task force was chaired by Asa Hutchinson, a Republican former congressman and undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security during the George W. Bush administration, and James Jones, a Democratic former congressman who served as U.S. ambassador to Mexico.[/rquoter]

    That torture was effective.
    [rquoter]And the panel concluded there was no "persuasive evidence" that such techniques yielded "significant information of value."[/rquoter]

    Regarding the Obama Admin. not stopping torture.
    [rquoter]Obama banned abusive interrogation techniques such as waterboarding when he took office in early 2009, [/rquoter]

    That said it does take the Obama Admin. to task for not doing more.
    [rquoter]But the 2014 goal will be hard to achieve because of legal, legislative and political obstacles Obama faces. While the White House says he remains committed to shutting Guantanamo, he has offered no new path to doing so in his second term.

    Panel members said they have offered to meet Obama aides to discuss their findings but had received no response so far.
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    While reserving most of its criticism for the former Bush administration, the report also accused Obama of not doing enough to ease official secrecy surrounding detentions.
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    The panel urged the Obama administration to release as much classified information as possible to help understand what went wrong. "Publicly acknowledging this grave error, however belatedly, may ... help undo some of the damage to our reputation at home and abroad," the report said.[/rquoter]
     
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