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Another step to ‘Islamise’ Turkey: Erdogan favours single-sex dorms

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    ANKARA - Turkey's conservative Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has stirred controversy with weekend remarks in favour of single-sex dorms in the mainly Muslim but staunchly secular country.

    "Female and male students cannot live in the same house," the head of the Islamist-rooted Justice and Development Party (AKP) was quoted as saying by the Turkish press on Monday.

    "That is contrary to our structure, which is conservative-democratic," Erdogan reportedly told party stalwarts at a weekend meeting in an Ankara suburb.

    He added that his government would "one way or another supervise" the situation, the Radikal and Zaman dailies reported.

    Erdogan, who has ruled Turkey for more than a decade, is accused of seeking to "Islamise" society with increasingly obvious references to Islam, and the remarks set off debate on social networks.

    One tweet, signed Joel Carassio, read: "The radical Islamisation of Turkey is going forward in veiled terms but rapidly."

    Another, by Wim van Wegen, said: "The 'democratisation' of authoritative Erdogan's Turkey is a joke. Ataturk would turn over in his grave," a reference to the revered founder of secular Turkey in 1923.

    A leader of the main pro-secular opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) demanded an explanation, saying: "Do you mean by 'supervision' that you also intend to monitor how students dress, like Iran's morality police do? Isn't this an attack on private life?"

    Speaking before parliament, Umut Oran, a prominent CHP lawmaker, added: "Students are grown-up enough to make decisions about their lives."

    A reader of the Hurriyet daily's website, Alkan Alkan, wrote: "Recep, you are wagging your finger too much. You must understand that Turkey is not Saudi Arabia."

    Erdogan's government faced an unprecedented wave of protests in June over its repression of critics and growing imposition of Islamic values on Turks.

    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=62383

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    Candidly Speaking: Turkey's Erdogan - An autocratic Islamist bigot

    Erdogan seeks to conceal his true intentions and convey the illusion that he is a role model for an enlightened Islam which blends with democracy.

    After over 50 years of Israeli-Turkish intelligence cooperation, the Turkish disclosure to Iran of the identities of Mossad operatives – apparently subsequently executed – illustrates the depths to which Israel-Turkey relations have descended under Islamist autocrat Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    Erdogan seeks to conceal his true intentions and convey the illusion that he is himself a role model for an enlightened Islam which blends with democracy.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Erdogan is a fanatical Islamist and a vile bigot who lavishes praise on the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Hezbollah and whose behavior is more reminiscent of an Ottoman sultan than a democratically elected leader.

    Erdogan has employed Islamist demagoguery to win three elections and has exploited his power and position to intimidate the media and destroy the opposition.

    He has purged the army of its secular officers through primitive show trials and brutally repressed freedom of speech.

    Today, there are more imprisoned journalists in Turkey than in Communist China and perhaps any other country in the world.

    Erdogan’s brutal response to environmentalist protesters against the redeveloping of Gezi Park in central Istanbul a few months ago, wounding over 4,000 peaceful demonstrators, exemplified his authoritarianism and brutality.

    Der Spiegel quotes Turkish human rights organizations attesting that he subsequently engaged in a campaign to punish journalists, teachers and other activists involved in the protests, arresting at least 3,000 people, including children.

    Since his demagogic outburst against President Shimon Peres in Davos live on TV in January 2009, followed by his dramatic storming out of the meeting, Erdogan’s attitude toward Israel has dramatically deteriorated.

    He shamelessly allies himself with the genocidal Hamas and refers to Israel as a “terrorist state” which “massacres children” and “knows well how to kill.” Only a few weeks ago, Erdogan hosted Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal in Turkey for the third time in 12 months.

    Clearly, he reached the conclusion that as a major global Israel-basher he reaps dividends among the Arab masses and furthers his dream of becoming head of a new Ottoman Sunni empire.

    ERDOGAN’S ANTI-ZIONISM is a natural extension of his anti-Semitism. As far back as 1974, he directed and played a leading role in a play entitled Maskomya, based on the evil global influence of Jews, Communists and Freemasons. As mayor of Istanbul in 1998, he stated, “Today the image of the Jews is no different from that of the Nazis.” In 2006 he endorsed the popular virulent anti-Semitic film Valley of the Wolves about an American Jew who trades in body parts.

    He blamed the Gezi Park environmental protest on the “interest rate lobby,” the “dual loyalists” and the “rootless cosmopolitans,” clear references to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. His deputy explicitly attributed the blame for the riots on the Jewish Diaspora.

    Erdogan has made outrageous statements in international circles. At a UN conference in Vienna in February, Erdogan stated, “Just like Zionism and fascism, Islamophobia must be regarded as a crime against humanity.”

    Only a few weeks ago he blamed Israel for the upheavals in Egypt, stating, “What is said about Egypt? That democracy is not about the box. Who was behind this? Israel is. We have evidence in our hands.” When subsequently pressed to substantiate this xenophobic outburst, all he could do was to quote the French Jewish philosopher Bernard Henri Levy (not an Israeli) who had made negative references to the Muslim Brotherhood in 2001.

    One of Erdogan’s favorite remarks is “There is no Islamic terror.” He also publicly undermines American efforts to boycott Iran and continues to provide Tehran with reliable trade outlets. Nonetheless, the US still considers Turkey a principal ally with which it shares “bonds of trust.”

    In June 2012, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu launched “The Global Terrorism Forum,” a counter- terrorism organization comprising 30 founding members from which Israel was notably excluded.

    In September 2013, the US and Turkey expanded this organization by creating a $200 million joint venture fund – “The Global Fund for Community Engagement and Resilience” – purportedly to combat extremist ideologies amongst young people in the Muslim world. American taxpayers are footing the bill for this exercise, organized by an Islamist leadership that endorses Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood and has shamelessly hosted former Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and President Omer Hassan al Bashir, the genocidal leader of Sudan charged with war crimes.

    THE SURREAL nature of Turkish influence is best exemplified by the ongoing story of the Mavi Marmara flotillas that sought to break Israel’s weapons embargo on Gaza in May 2010. Following the international incident, Erdogan demanded that Israel issue an unequivocal apology for the death of nine Turkish protesters associated with al-Qaida who were aboard the boat.

    When Israel acted in accordance with the ruling of an independent UN inquiry that found that it need not apologize for the loss of lives, Erdogan recalled his ambassador, orchestrated show trials against IDF personnel, and sought to exclude Israel from global organizations, including NATO – this, from a leader who has never acknowledged his country’s massacre of 1.5 million Armenians in World War I.

    Following his visit to Israel in March 2013, President Barack Obama allegedly pressed Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to apologize and pay compensation to the Turkish terrorists’ families. Despite bitter condemnation in Israel, Netanyahu complied in order to restore relations with Turkey so that Israel and Turkey could cooperate on issues emerging in Syria. Erdogan agreed to cooperate with Israel at all levels.

    But, unsurprisingly, the Turkish prime minister has failed to adhere to his commitment. Immediately after Israeli issued its apology, Erdogan announced his intention to visit Gaza, and demanded Israel lift its maritime blockade against Hamas. Six months later, Erdogan still has not restored diplomatic relations nor suspended the show trials of senior Israeli officials.

    The Greek ambassador to Israel informed The Jerusalem Post that Turkey was still continuing to block Israel’s participation in NATO . This month, President Abdullah Gul stated that Israel had extended its apology “too late.”

    IN LIGHT of this, it is disappointing that Obama continues to praise Erdogan as a “moderate Islamist” who “has shown great leadership,” ignoring the fact that he has effectively violated all the undertakings brokered by him in relation to Israel and continues to actively undermine efforts to impose sanctions on Iran . Not to mention that only a few weeks ago Erdogan announced a “strategic partnership” with China.

    The reality is that while the inveterate anti-Semite Erdogan has his way, he will veto any efforts to improve relationships with Israel, despite the major strategic and economic benefits that would accrue to both countries.

    Thus, even if the US clings to the fantasy that Turkey represents a moderate, democratically influenced form of Islam, we should not delude ourselves. Erdogan is running an anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli regime that supports Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. As long as he remains in power, Israel-Turkish relations will remain cold at best.

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Column...s-Erdogan-An-autocratic-Islamist-bigot-330005
     
  2. tomato

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    "Islamise me," Omer Asik
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    single sex dorms seems incredibly out of touch. It's almost to the point where it would be a novelty that would be worth pursuing. Simply it might be an amusing semester or year to live like you were in the 50's.

    The idea that the govt. should be involved in it in any way whatsoever is horrible.
     
  4. white lightning

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    I am sure than many Christian universities in the US have single sex dorms.
     
  5. glynch

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    Baylor university is one
     
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    Seriously - the lack of freedom under the name of Islam is pathetic.

    DD
     
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    Conservative? Sure
    "Islamization" I think not

    Ole Miss and Notre Dame have single-sex dorms

    Regardless, until I see some actual legislation, this comment will remain harmless
     
  8. Harrisment

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    Pretty sure none of those are mandated by the government.
     
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    Islamize Me!

    ~McDonalds
     
  10. Daedalus

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    in the US, attending such schools is a choice.
     
  11. Deckard

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    I'm getting more than a little tired of this guy.
     
  12. tomato

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    Islamise Me
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    Exactly.
     
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    with the turkish economy in deep trouble, erdogan knows his time could be up soon…..has to manufacture new controversial issues to rile up his ultra-conservative base there
     
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    He wasn't so anti-israeli before, ya know, israel killed 19 innocent UNARMED Turks on a boat with humanitarian to the starved people of Ghaza.

    Texas A&M is a public school, and my dorm in 2nd year wasn't co-ed, it was males only, and there are several female only dorms. In fact, I'm pretty sure there are more "single sex dorms" than co-ed dorms at A&M, at least up to the time I graduated. Now I'm all for social liberalism and no one despises this fake "family values" BS more than me, but this definitely shouldn't warrant this much outrage from normal people. Islam-hating message board trolls, however, now they are a whole different story.

    Erdogan and his party have been winning elections by huge margins. And you'd be kidding yourself if you think it's because Turks have mysteriously acquired uber-religious Islamic values all of the sudden. Turks love their "Raki" (great alcoholic beverage) and their bikini clad dime pieces on their gorgeous Mediterranean beaches. They are as far from "extremist islam" as you can get. They are the epitome of moderate Islam. Erdogan and his party have been winning by wide margins because of the great progress they brought about to that country, both economically and geoplitically, and they did that by emphasizing integrity and eliminating corruption, both of which are central ideals in moderate Islam.

    As for the Iran bit, I found that extremely laughable, considering the fact that Turkey is one of the few countries standing with unwavering support and solidarity with the Syrian people in their revolution against Assad's Iran-backed genocidal regime. They are one of the few international players still standing in the proxy war against Iran's evil empire dreams after president Obama threw in the towel and succumbed to Iran's and Russia's wishes and jeopardized the safety of all our allies in the region who are directly threatened by Assad' regime. So painting him as a friend of Iran's is as far away from the truth as most ATW arguments are.
     
  16. glynch

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    A decent post on Turkey, but the Iran phobia exhibited is about on par with Turkey bs.
     
  17. Deckard

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    I would think that any liberal might be at least a little disturbed about the current Turkish government pushing against the secular traditions of that country. It certainly bothers me.
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    Well, the funny thing is that glynch would be ON THE STREETS if attacks on civil liberties like they are committed by Erdogan were happening in the USA.

    But because an Islamist does it, it confuses glynch, and he thinks it's okay...because Islamists are supposed to be the leftist's friend.
     
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    One step at a time. At least, women can now get an education over there. There are still parts of that region where they can't.
     

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