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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. No Worries

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    MN Dept. of Health has been going out doing surveys and community testing to try to get a handle on how widespread the virus is in MN. They've had to stop the survey rural MN.
    https://m.startribune.com/covid-19-...jKFYD4bXLYtLUu11lNQ20I-dauihx_bKtD_CHIezKlcZw

    COVID-19 surveys halted in Minnesota amid racism, intimidation

    A door-to-door COVID-19 testing survey has been halted due to multiple incidents in greater Minnesota of residents intimidating and shouting racial and ethnic slurs at state and federal public health survey teams.

    The CDC pulled its federal surveyors out of Minnesota this week following reports of verbal abuse and intimidation, including an incident in the Iowa border town of Eitzen, Minn., in which a survey team walking to a house was blocked by two cars and threatened by three men, including one who had a gun.

    Frustration with the state’s pandemic response “is totally understandable,” said Dr. Ruth Lynfield, state epidemiologist, “but that is distinctly different than taking out frustration on another human being who is trying to help and is especially galling when there is a taint of racism. There is no justification for this — the enemy is the virus and not the public health workers who are trying to help.”

    Surveyors had been fanning out to 180 neighborhoods this month — offering free diagnostic testing for active COVID-19 infections and blood antibody testing to identify prior infections — to understand the true prevalence of the coronavirus causing the pandemic.

    Insults came at doorways, from angry people approaching the surveyors or just people walking their dogs on the other sides of the streets, said Stephanie Yendell, a state senior epidemiology supervisor. The surveyors trapped in the Eitzen incident were permitted to leave and did not file a police report about the gun-toting man or the two others who approached them.

    The frequency of problems became clear last weekend when surveyors discussed their experiences, Yendell said. A Hispanic surveyor was called one slur “more in the last week than in her entire life,” she said.

    Most people were polite in all areas of the state, but the frequency of intimidating incidents was surprising, said Dan Huff, assistant state health commissioner. The state ended the survey rather than continuing without the CDC workers, or sending only white surveyors in largely white rural communities.

    “We found that our white teams had a very different experience, a much more positive experience, but I think from our perspective it’s ridiculous for us to contemplate that,” he said. “We choose who is doing this survey on their professional qualifications.”

    While samples were collected from 400 volunteers, that is short of what was sought for assessing COVID-19’s presence in Minnesota. In a sad irony, health officials said that people who drove surveyors away due to frustration over state pandemic restrictions ended up short-circuiting a study that could have hastened the end to those restrictions.

    “We had hoped through the CASPER survey to have a better understanding of how COVID-19 was spreading in Minnesota and how it was affecting people,” Lynfield said. “That kind of understanding could have helped us improve multiple aspects of our response.”

    CASPER stands for Community Assessment for Public Health Emergency Response, a door-to-door survey that collects demographically representative responses in communities to determine needs following disasters such as oil spills and hurricanes.

    Since Minnesota’s first positive infection in March, the state has reported nearly 2,000 COVID-19 deaths and 94,000 infections. Federal health officials have estimated that every one known case could represent 10 unknown people who had mild or no symptoms but carried and spread the virus.

    The monthlong survey was the largest attempt in Minnesota to assess that level of mystery spread, mostly through seroprevalence testing of blood to see if people had antibodies indicating an immune system response to the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

    The forced end to the study is an amalgam of 2020’s overriding tensions — the anger over prolonged business restrictions to limit COVID-19 and the racial tensions following police killings of Black people that resulted in protests and riots, and some predominantly white counterprotests.

    State health leaders said it was disappointing for Minnesota and that CASPER surveys have been completed this year in Georgia and Hawaii and are ongoing in other states. The Hawaii study assessed joblessness amid the pandemic.

    In Minnesota, survey teams included at least one person asking questions and a nurse obtaining lab samples from volunteers. In addition to 12 CDC workers, the state had six workers going door to door along with 22 hired nurses and three local public health workers.

    State health officials had expected some resistance but in the form of people declining testing. Incidents occurred mostly in central and southern Minnesota, rural areas where there has been pent-up resentment over the spring statewide shutdown, the indoor mask mandate and the bar and restaurant restrictions. The economic losses of such measures were seen as overkill in small towns where virus transmission has been less prevalent.

    A CDC spokesperson declined to comment.

    Compared to others, this CASPER survey had heightened potential for controversy, because opponents of Minnesota’s COVID-19 response have questioned whether broad testing is inflating infection numbers and exaggerating the scope of the pandemic.

    Some people with respiratory symptoms have refused testing for fear that a positive result would force them and their families into quarantine, or push local schools to cancel in-person classes and events.



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    Today, in a group chat, I mentioned that over the past 10 days, Covid has really crept into my direct circle. Lots of people I am close to turning up positive. Then I see this Tweet. o_O
     
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    50% will be asymptomatic. 40% will have a mild course (sore throat, cough, fever, shortness of breath). 10% will have a severe course (needs supplemental oxygen, mechanical ventilation). 0.5-1% will die.
    The people with mild and severe courses who recover have symptoms lingering after the infection itself has resolved.

    Forecasters now say 200000 more deaths during the fall. At our current rate, it’s a 1000 a day for the next 90 days meaning 90000.

    I am speechless about how bad this all is. Just a feeling of existential dread.
     
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    Any good zombie movie will have the reveal that everyone's infected.
     
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    North and South Dakota's numbers are insane. Super high cases per capita, and ridiculously high positive test rates. Those rallies killed people and caused a great deal of unnecessary sickness to those states.

    Also, shoutout to Vermont, their numbers have sustainably been phenomenally good for a US state.
     
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    Florida is going to be the #1 killer of Americans once they open everything up. All those Maskless Moron Trump supporters down there spreading Covid from bar to bar to the community.
     
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    It's a scamdemic. Walmart, Target, Costco, Samsclubs....etc are open. Mom and pop businesses, restaurants still closed, but Looters, rioters are ok.
     
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    I am not surprised. Houston was/is(?) doing the same kind of voluntary random population antibody surveillance program to see how much of the population has had Covid19. When these testers first started showing up in my neighborhood, NextDoor blew up with posts about how the government is trying to take their genetic code and put into the system over a fake pandemic. Multiple people threatened violence if the testers knocked on their door.

    I never saw any results coming from the surveillance program. I would not be surprised if Houston also paused their program. .
     
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    Guess I’ll put this here. Is this even the US? These people in power in FL are crazy.

    https://www.wlrn.org/2020-09-28/floridas-hunt-for-chinese-communist-ties-comes-up-empty-handed

    The state went looking for Chinese communist companies to hold accountable for the COVID-19 pandemic. It hasn't found any.

    Florida sent letters to 100,000 businesses and entities registered as vendors with the state in June, asking if they were “owned or controlled by the Communist Party of China.”

    Months later, that hunt for Chinese communists has come up empty handed, with the state unable to cite a single company owned or controlled by the Communist Party of China that it has identified through the effort.

    Instead of finding communists, the state effort gave many Floridians a scare that the state was engaging in the kind of political fear mongering and list-making that marked the darkest days of the Cold War, according to responses reviewed by WLRN.

    The move was a stroke in Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis’ campaign to assign blame for the COVID-19 pandemic to China. The letters were signed by him, and recipients were further asked to confirm whether they represent “U.S. Interests” or not.

    ...
     
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    I like it, it’s always good when we’re out ChiCom hunting. If we don’t hunt them, they will hunt us, simple as that.
     
  14. Amiga

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    Crazy as pie
     
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    So you still think the ChiCom has good intentions for us?
     
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    You missed the point. Read up on Mccarthyism.
     
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    #5477 generalthade_03, Sep 29, 2020
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Since you believe the NYT on this report do you also believe their report on Trump's taxes?
     

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