George's injury takes him out of the rankings, but his projected winning percentage (.605) would slot him third, behind Durant and in front of Anthony.
Every one of these WARP-based lists that I've seen has been terrible. It's like they're made by a troll looking to incite. Not sure how WARP is calculated but if it can only get the top 2 right (which is actually better than it normally does), it's a ****ty measure not worthy of discussion.
Yeah, wtf. I'm seeing this so underrated that they get way overrated trend lately. Is everyone just obsessed with making themselves smart by finding sleepers?
heres what i made in my thread: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=256961 Spoiler shows SF's who will make between 5-16 mill next season and thier production vs the contract. my rank would be based on my metric ORP in the thread (including now the max contracts and rookie contracts excluding the 2014 rookie class) 1. durant 2. LBJ 3. Melo 4. Gay 5. Gallinari 6. Leonard 7. Evans 8. Ariza 9. Batum 10. Parsons
Why the hell is Leonard so under rated?? The man is a proven winner!!! 1.LBJ 2.KDUB 3.Leonard 4.Melo 5.Batum 6.Parson 7.Iggy 8.Ariza 9.Atetapenko
can we stop with these Chandler Parsons threads, he isn't a Rocket anymore if Jeremy Lin fans get blasted for making threads about him, then the same rules must apply for Chandler
If you'd actually read the last ten or so posts, you would see people are having a lively discussion of SF's, including how ****ing underrated Leonard is (and I agree). You're the one who brought it back to some random Maverick. As to the topic, the list was clearly generated with a statistics obsession, and Leonard just doesn't grade out well in that scenario. It shows the limitation of basketball statistics more than just about any other example I can imagine. Leonard's record, W-L, in regular season and playoffs is not really paralleled on that list, outside of Lebron.
I would take Kidd-Gilcrest over Hayward any day of the week. He is probably the most underrated player in the league next to Mike Conley.
well then the topic title should not include Chandler in it then Leonard had a good finals series but his regular season was a bit average
This is the most overused truism on ESPN...well everyone knows from physics that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. What Rick Carlisle presupposes is...what if it can?
You're painting with too wide a brush. Any function of data is a statistic. But the function you use can be such that it provides insight, or such that it is a worthless excuse for an "analysis". The WARP seems much closer to the latter.
I won't say whether these are good or bad, as I personally have never really cared for rankings, but most people tend to have issues with them for pretty poor reasons. For example, take Leonard's ranking here. He'll probably average somewhere between 25-30mpg next season. Perhaps less. Perhaps he'll even take some games off due to Pop's rest days system. He got 1900 minutes last season. In comparison, Parsons got 2700 minutes. Which means that Leonard has to be about 44% better (by whatever measure this is based upon) than Parsons to have the same WARP over the course of a season. If you use his winning% instead of WARP, which seems to be more of a per-minute type stat, then Leonard is tied with Melo and Hayward for 3rd. Which would likely result in much less uproar. Both Parsons and Gay have 53% winning rate, which seem to suggest they're up there based on volume and not quality. Probably one of the reasons why Morey doesn't value him as much as raw stats would suggest.
Yes to the 2nd point, meh to the first. My point is that making any list just based on a statistic (no matter how good, how appropriate) should only be titled by that statistic. "SF's Ranked by Projected WARP." Instead of "Rating the Top Ten Small Forwards in the NBA." If you see what I mean. I'm splitting hairs. But I do think Leonard gets dinged because of what he's asked to do with the Spurs and because he doesn't log the total playing time that some of the other SF's do. He averaged 29 minutes in Pop's system. (Oh, and when I looked this up... dude is only 22 years old. Whoa.)
