Big 12 Expansion rumors

gucci888 · Jun 21, 2016

Buck Turgidson said: ↑

Bring Oliver Luck back to Texas.

The baseball deal is getting comical. I do really like the coach at Tulane though, that'd be my pick now that they've been turned down by their first 8 choices.
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Wonder if Luck holds a grudge at all but a move needs to be made sooner or later. Just seems like athletics, off the field speaking, has been stuck in the mud the past few years.

Baseballa · Jun 21, 2016

I will be very interested to see what happens once Florida's season is over. I know O'Sullivan reaffirmed his commitment to the school, but he really doesn't have a choice while his season is still going on.

Brando2101 · Jun 21, 2016

Buck Turgidson said: ↑

Bring Oliver Luck back to Texas.
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Wholeheartedly agree. I was really disappointed when they went with Steve Patterson especially when Texas knew getting the Erwin center replaced was going to be the #1 hurdle in the next 10 years. Patterson faced a huge backlash when he basically threatened the city. Who better to build partnerships for facilities?

Buck Turgidson said: ↑

The baseball deal is getting comical. I do really like the coach at Tulane though, that'd be my pick now that they've been turned down by their first 8 choices.
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It's tough to really say baseball is a priority at many major schools and that is certainly true at Texas. Not sure the real appeal of going to Austin unless you're at a smaller school but they likely care more about baseball there.

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The Big Ten is about to triple its take from their media rights, and join the SEC in lapping its brethren when it comes to printing money.

Apparently ESPN isn't as nervous about cord cutting as some have speculated. They just agreed to pay the Big 10 over one billion dollars for half of their national media rights.

ESPN and Fox will pay the Big 10 a combined $2.6 Billion over a six-year period, which will almost triple the yearly payout the league gets from its major media deal. The contact goes into effect next year and runs through the 2022-23 season.

CBS also renewed its limited basketball contract for $10 million a year.

Fox will pay $240 million a year, while ESPN will write a check for $190 million. Each network will get 25 football games and 50 basketball games annually. For its extra $50 million a year, Fox will get first choice of football games (hello Michigan vs. Ohio State), and will have the conference championship game every season.

ESPN had low-balled the Big 10 with its first offer for the media rights, but then Fox stepped in with their $1.4 billion offer for just half of the inventory. ESPN was put in the corner of coming up with a legitimate offer of their own, or see the ABC/ESPN 50-year relationship with the Big 10 go away.

The deal assures the Big 10 that it will be passing out somewhere between $40 and $50 million annually to each program, including media rights, the Big 10 Network, NCAA basketball and bowl revenue.

Conference Commissioner Jim Delany added another tweak to this new deal. Delany is betting that over the next six years the media industry will figure out what the distribution landscape will look like in the future. And that means that the Big 10 will come up for renewal before any of the other Power 5 Conferences and right before their Grant of Rights expire. It also gives a clearer picture on when to expect the next round of realignment and downsizing.
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WOW. Great for the Big 10. I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that ESPN "lowballed" the Big 10. They offered something that they could reasonably pay given the huge crisis they are in as a company with the exponential drop in subscribers but the bigger financial downfall would be losing the media rights to the big 10 to Fox.

It's very important to note that Fox Sports is a division of Fox Broadcasting Company which is drastically different than ESPN which is an independent company that has %80 of its stock owned by Disney and %20 of owned by the Hearst Corp. That means ESPN's deals and finances have to answer to a board while Fox Sports has the security of the world's 3rd leading network (revenue) to act has a backup in capital if needed that can be generated from one of their other departments. In addition to all of the Fox Sports cable subscriptions, they own or have affiliate agreements with over 200 broadcast stations. If you are interested, Fox Broadcasting is owned by Fox Entertainment which does a lot in movie and tv production who is then owned by 21st century Fox. There are like 8 companies that own all aspects of tv, film and music. This is especially true of Disney whose business strategy shifted after Eisner was ousted from generating original content to acquiring more and more high value franchises for a huge sum of money that they could then invest much much more capital in to generate a much higher volume of content that would pay for the original purchase price. Unfortunately, that same strategy does not work with ESPN which is simply a cable network that faces a finite number of programing hours and a capped audience that is just getting smaller. I embedded a video in the spoiler below that actually does a really good job at explaining it.

Stan Lee vs. Jim Henson (Marvel Entertainment (comics, film production company etc) and the Muppets were all purchased by Disney) It's important to know that Epic Rap Battles of History was created at Maker Studios (which is an online content producer) who was purchased by Disney a few years ago.

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TLDR: ESPN is a sinking ship who was forced to pay more than they can reasonably afford in the longterm in order to keep prevent the loss of content that would have torpedoed them in the short term.

Buck Turgidson · Jun 21, 2016

Brando2101 said: ↑

It's tough to really say baseball is a priority at many major schools and that is certainly true at Texas. Not sure the real appeal of going to Austin unless you're at a smaller school but they likely care more about baseball there.
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Every coach they talked to got at least a million+ raise the minute contact was made: Florida/TCU/Vandy/UCLA/OregSt/LSU/Louville/Clemson...

Baseball is bigger than you think. UT has now hired a headhunter to find the next coach, btw.

gucci888 · Jul 19, 2016

Pretty big news from the Big 12 media days. If true, I'm done with the Big 12. All too clear that the conference is just a step behind everyone else. As a Longhorn, it's time to move on from Perrin and bring in our permanent AD.

Oklahoma president David Boren, chairman of the Big 12 Board of Directors, said the board Tuesday instructed B12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby to "actively evaluate" the interest of schools wanting to join the Big 12.

Boren said the decision was impacted by news of an ACC Network expecting to launch in 2019.

Boren said the commissioner will explore the possibility of adding "two or four" members to the Big 12.

Boren said expansion wouldn't be done to better create a possibility of a Big 12 network - but rather to see if it would enhance the league from a competitive aspect and from a financial aspect.
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DonnyMost · Jul 19, 2016

Game on, suckers.

askball · Jul 19, 2016

gucci888 said: ↑

Pretty big news from the Big 12 media days. If true, I'm done with the Big 12. All too clear that the conference is just a step behind everyone else. As a Longhorn, it's time to move on from Perrin and bring in our permanent AD.
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Bill Snyder apparently said today he knows there are two schools who want BACK INTO the Big 12. A&M is obviously very happy in the $EC so my best guess would be Nebraska and Colorado. Can't imagine Mizzou leaving the $EC either.

Icehouse · Jul 19, 2016

How irate would UH be if they took 4 teams and still left them out?

sammy · Jul 19, 2016

DonnyMost said: ↑

Game on, suckers.
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But you told us yesterday that UH was a lock to go to the PAC 12 and y'all had your bags PACed?

tinman · Jul 19, 2016

I want Memphis and UConn, that would make the best Hoops conference ever

gucci888 · Jul 19, 2016

askball said: ↑

Bill Snyder apparently said today he knows there are two schools who want BACK INTO the Big 12. A&M is obviously very happy in the $EC so my best guess would be Nebraska and Colorado. Can't imagine Mizzou leaving the $EC either.
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Hmm...CU makes sense but hard imagining Nebraska walking away from the new BIG tv deal.

dc rock · Jul 19, 2016

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DonnyMost · Jul 19, 2016

sammy said: ↑

But you told us yesterday that UH was a lock to go to the PAC 12 and y'all had your bags PACed?
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PAC all 12 of your BIG bags, coogs!

rhino17 · Jul 19, 2016

gucci888 said: ↑

Hmm...CU makes sense
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Again, being a CU alum and local in the area I see absolutely no reason why that would make any sense

Sounds more like Big 12 people just trying to build up/talk up a conference that is looked down upon nationally. I think every team that has left the Big 12 is in a better situation

J.R. · Jul 19, 2016

Some great 'leaders' Boren & Bowlsby are. Ask them again in September and they may change their mind again. :grin:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Houston?src=hash">#Houston</a>'s an interesting fit for Big12 but some FB staffs would hate to have UH on same stage BC it'd become MUCH tougher to recruit there</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/755541182625656832">July 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colorado State<br>Houston<br>Cincinnati<br>UConn<br><br>There you go. That's my guess for the Big 12.</p>— Ralph D. Russo (@ralphDrussoAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/ralphDrussoAP/status/755534809787686912">July 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Schools I'd expect to be in mix for Big12 expansion: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cincy?src=hash">#Cincy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UCF?src=hash">#UCF</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Memphis?src=hash">#Memphis</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BYU?src=hash">#BYU</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UConn?src=hash">#UConn</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Houston?src=hash">#Houston</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CSU?src=hash">#CSU</a>..Curious if TX schools would OK Houston.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/755539434502623234">July 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Big12 is the most wildly unpredictable entity in college sports..That said my hunch is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cincinnati?src=hash">#Cincinnati</a> is the safest bet for B12 expansion.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/755537910179377152">July 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Spoke w/several sources about Big 12 expansion. Everyone in play. Best quote: “Cincinnati leader in clubhouse but we don’t have a clubhouse"</p>— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/755534322761867265">July 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">14-team Big 12 is on the table. BYU, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Colorado State, Houston, UConn, Boise State, others</p>— Mark Schlabach (@Mark_Schlabach) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/755532177379438592">July 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big12: 6 factors cited for Big 12 expansion: Strength of athletic dept, fan base size, media market, school's reputation, academic strength.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/755526713082118145">July 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Filed to CBS Sports re: expansion. The teams don’t matter in B12 expansion, the math does.</p>— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/755567400221757443">July 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Big 12 is expanding. Soon. My column on how big it could get and who it will add. <a href="https://t.co/K11ALSwC9c">https://t.co/K11ALSwC9c</a></p>— Pete Thamel (@SIPeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/SIPeteThamel/status/755567673828704256">July 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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The leaders in the clubhouse for Big 12 expansion remain BYU, Cincinnati and Connecticut. The next tier includes South Florida, Central Florida, Memphis, Colorado State, Houston, Boise State and Tulane. If the league does add four schools, there’s really no standout candidate for that fourth slot. (Houston has the best program and television market of available schools, but there’s still some hesitancy within the state of Texas to allow the Cougars to use the Big 12 to potentially leap over current members). Schools like Temple, San Diego State and Northern Illinois don’t really have a chance, but will give it a shot anyway. “They’re going to open it up like an auction,” one Big 12 source said. “They don’t want it to be like they’re out there soliciting schools.”
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Nothing is certain, but here are some obvious directions for the Big 12 to look at in the coming weeks (listed in alphabetical order:

Boise State: If this were a merit-based discussion on winning football over the last decade, the Broncos would win in a landslide. But Boise isn’t an attractive market, it’s geographically remote for most of the Big 12 and the academic reputation of the school doesn’t hep.

BYU: Has a strong brand, the best football history of any available school and national following. But BYU would create another geographic island unless it’s paired with another school in the West. Not playing on Sunday is an issue in lots of sports besides football, although football only expansion is on the table.

Central Florida: This is a pure upside play, especially since its run of football success came to a screeching halt last year. Overall athletic department has underperformed, and its fan base is still not as strong as you’d like despite growing enrollment. Provides Orlando TV market and Florida recruiting potential.

Cincinnati: Former president Santa Ono spent a significant amount of time courting the Big 12. Former Big East member has lots of pluses and has been nationally competitive in football and basketball. Would provide a geographic partner for West Virginia.

Colorado State: The university profile fits with the Iowa States and Kansas States of the world, but does the athletic program? Colorado State hasn’t been relevant nationally in much of anything for a long time, but it’s building a new football stadium. Does geography here help or hurt?

Connecticut: Obviously the pedigree of its men's and women's basketball programs would be a big plus for the Big 12. How much does basketball matter in this decision? Does a foothold in New England or New York move the needle for a Texas-based league? If you thought Morgantown was a pain, sending non-revenue sports from Texas to Storrs is even less ideal.

Houston: Made a major impression in football last year by winning the Peach Bowl and paying coach Tom Herman $3 million per year to stay. Has aggressively worked on facilities and fundraising. The major hurdle is whether Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor etc., want to elevate another in-state school and add a potential recruiting competitor.

Memphis: Would plant a flag in SEC country, a solid TV market and fertile recruiting area. Has had recent (though not sustained) football success, a national basketball brand and the trump card: Its affiliation with FedEx, which would like to be a major sponsor for the Big 12 if Memphis is included. Lack of academic heft may be a negative.

South Florida: Has never really fulfilled its potential, but like Central Florida it’s in a major market. If the Big 12 doesn’t think adding the fourth and fifth most popular programs in Florida would significantly impact its recruiting in the state, it should probably look elsewhere.

Tulane: Here’s an interesting wild card. Why? Academics and market. New Orleans fits geographically, and the Tulane reputation could help offset another choice with lesser academic credentials. Plus, Bowlsby and current Tulane athletics director Troy Dannen are close as they both started their careers at Northern Iowa.

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Nook · Jul 19, 2016

Meh... Whatever.

I don't believe for a minute schools like BU, TT and TCU want UH in the Big XII.

If UH gets in, great but other conferences out there more stable. Big XII isn't exactly well ran.

UH will end up in a major conference, just might be a year or two away.

Brando2101 · Jul 19, 2016

I'll believe it when the regents vote for it. Bringing back teams makes sense but I don't see that happening and I don't believe that they actually want to come back.

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Sigh, done with the conference in 2025.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/07/19/big-12-expansion-news-candidates-bob-bowlsby

On a conference call Tuesday afternoon, the Big 12 conference announced that it has unanimously approved expansion exploration. To translate for those either unfamiliar or simply fatigued by the jargon of conference realignment, that basically means the league has kicked off an expansion frenzy.

A source familiar with the Big 12’s thinking told SI.com on Tuesday that it looks “nearly definite” that the league will expand by two schools and “highly possible” the league could expand by four schools. This is major news, sparked in part by the revelation on Monday that the ACC will be launching its own network, leaving the Big 12 as the only Power 5 school without some type of television network. The Big 12 was getting left behind, and Tuesday’s decision is another definitive step to attempt to keep up.

All of the moves in conference realignment can be traced back to two things—money and television. And since the current cord-cutting cable climate isn’t conducive to the Big 12 adding a channel, the league decided instead to maximize its potential television revenue. When it came down to it, all the talk of the importance of round robins and one true champion seems kind of quaint.

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The Big 12’s television consultants put forth a compelling presentation in Dallas on Tuesday. They showed how four new teams combined with the addition of a conference championship game could add nearly one billion additional dollars before the league’s deal with ESPN and Fox expires in 2025.

Oklahoma president David Boren called Tuesday’s announcement “a statement we want to move forward” but “not a decision.” In reality, though, that’s just semantics. The biggest question going forward will be whether the Big 12 adds two schools or four schools. The next question will be if they are football-only members or all sports. A few months ago, adding two schools was considered possible and four unlikely. But the tenor around that has all changed. The Big 12 looks ready to cash in to catch up, and there’s about a dozen schools on the other side of the financial tracks—ie non-Power 5 schools—happy to join them. (Likely without an equal cut of the television deal until the current agreement expires).

The leaders in the clubhouse for Big 12 expansion remain BYU, Cincinnati and Connecticut. The next tier includes South Florida, Central Florida, Memphis, Colorado State, Houston, Boise State and Tulane. If the league does add four schools, there’s really no standout candidate for that fourth slot. (Houston has the best program and television market of available schools, but there’s still some hesitancy within the state of Texas to allow the Cougars to use the Big 12 to potentially leap over current members). Schools like Temple, San Diego State and Northern Illinois don’t really have a chance, but will give it a shot anyway. “They’re going to open it up like an auction,” one Big 12 source said. “They don’t want it to be like they’re out there soliciting schools.”

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The Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and Boren said all the proper pragmatic things in a conference call on Thursday. They talked about moving forward, awaiting to hear from schools and Bowlsby vetting candidates. The expectation is that candidates will be presented in October and schools could be added for the 2017 season. But the reality is that the league needed to do something quickly to fortify itself. As one Big 12 source put it: “If we kept status quo, it would have meant moving back.”

And by moving forward, the Big 12 leaders have set off a free-for-all destined to dominate the headlines in college athletics for the next few months. In reality, the Big 12 doesn’t have to solicit schools. The schools are going to come running to their doorstep, pleading to join for a discount price.

In the current Big 12 television contract, it states that any schools that are added will generate the same payout as the current members. Big 12 schools made an estimated $25 million each in television revenue this past year. (That doesn’t include ancillary payments like NCAA tournament payouts, third-tier rights and College Football Playoff money). So the addition of four schools would mean approximately $100 million annually to the league’s coffers.

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What’s yet to be determined is how much the four schools would be paid up front per year through the length of the contract in 2025.

TCU and West Virginia, for example, initially received pro rata shares upon joining the Big 12 until receiving a full share this year. It’s likely that the incoming schools will be so anxious to join a Power 5 league that they’d take a lower share for the long-term benefit.

The Big 12 will proceed cautiously and pragmatically in public. But don’t let the expansion jargon and coded wording fool you. The Big 12’s announcement on Tuesday throws much of the college sports world into flux. The Big 12 will be growing soon, dangling a lucrative carrot out to those hungry schools on the outside of the Power 5. As the 2016–17 season kicks off, it will be accompanied by another expansion feeding frenzy.
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DonnyMost · Jul 19, 2016

Lolololol

AFS · Jul 20, 2016

Icehouse said: ↑

How irate would UH be if they took 4 teams and still left them out?
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Very. Hard to justify leaving UH out if they take four.

Icehouse · Jul 20, 2016

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Very. Hard to justify leaving UH out if they take four.
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How so? They can always say they don't need another TX school. It is "expansion".

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