Wow, this thread is a mess. Are you guys actually just trolling for fun? If so, I can probably save myself some time. http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license
Interesting, I didn't know about the whole accessing your games from any Xbox. The only part that sucks is the used game/selling part of it. Everything else seems pretty cool. Am I missing something else?
I'd say the vast majority, 99.9%, of xbox users pay for Xbox Live bc they game online...not because they want to watch their Netflix...so it really doesnt matter that there is a "2nd fee", because that doesnt really apply to many people at all...if any.
Yeah, it is pretty cool...but you probably didnt know about it because so many people are trying to knock Xbox for trying to push gaming into the digital era.
IIRC, 40% of Xbox owners don't pay for XBL. So 40% can't get Netflix, etc. edit: Wait...I might be getting mixed up. I think something like 50% of 360 owners have a XBL account, and around 50% of them have XBL gold. Outdated, but maybe the percentages are the same: http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/02/mi...of-xbox-live-users-pay-for-gold-subscription/
It's hysterical to me that you're defending an arbitrary extra pay gate to a service you pay for already.
Sorry, I prob wasnt clear...Didn't mean it as 99% of Xbox owners pay for Xbox Live, I meant to say that those that pay for Xbox Live do so because they are playing online games. For those that don't want to game online and still want to watch Netflix...you dont need an Xbox to do that, so I dont see the complaints. Could Xbox have made it easier on the consumer? Sure...but last I checked, there are many Netflix users that dont have an Xbox, so Im sure Xbox owners that dont have a Live account can harmlessly figure out a way to watch their shows too. No need to pay for a Live membership, specially if you arent planning on gaming.
You dont need an Xbox to watch Netflix...there is no extra pay gate if you dont want there to be. It's very easy to avoid.
This kind of sounds like, "If you don't have an internet connection, we have a great product called the 360 for you." Cantsole confirmed. You really shouldn't be giving consumers a reason to avoid using your product. $500 is too much for a this kind of thing, but I actually wouldn't mind getting a Xbone for myself or someone else at say $200, due to the media features. But if you're forced to pay $60/yr to watch Netflix, etc., then it just makes more sense to get some other device (maybe a PS4 with their TV software and media services, or just a $99 Roku). Given that MS is targeting this market, I think they should remove some of these barriers if they want to get non-gamers or casual gamers. As it is, only relatively active gamers who also watch a lot of TV (primarily ESPN, sports, etc.) could really take advantage of this. Good for them, but not the biggest market for MS (especially if they ignore/lose some of the dedicated gamer market). Especially since there isn't any reason to charge for these services to begin with.
Well, now that the XBone is really pushing the multimedia aspect of things, I dont think it's smart for them to require a Live membership to view Netflix or Hulu or whatever.
RC is a gamer. Since the Xbox isn't a gaming first console anymore I dot see a problem with him like the gaming centric PS4.
Heh, that's an understatement. I figured there would be some opposition, but this pretty much the E3 thread all over again.
So what are these multimedia features on the XBone? I have a Roku. What does it offer that I can't get from Roku, Apple TV or Google TV?
If you think me posting "Hey, maybe MS shouldn't charge users to access Netflix, which is free everywhere else" implies I'm paid by Sony, your Star Citizen board must be full of Sony viral marketers: http://www.robertsspaceindustries.c...hp?23623-PS4-vs-Xbox-One-(E3-2013-Impressions And they certainly say much more damaging things about MS.
Exactly. We basically agree. All I'm saying is, there's a substantial market of people who will want to buy an XBone for the games, but not to play multiplayer. Along with that, 360 was already pushed as an all-in-one media center device, and the XBone even more so. Then they're immediately turning around and telling people they need to sign up for Gold if they want to access their Netflix. That's a ludicrous business practice for a company that's trying to get you to adopt their machine as a multimedia center. For every one person who pays that fee to them just for the convenience of accessing all their media from one device, a bunch of others are going to say "f*** that, I'll use PS3/4 or Roku to stream video instead." Now, even if I throw out the window the consideration of how annoying that practice is as a consumer... if I just look at it from Microsoft's perspective, I do not want my customers using other devices to access streaming video services. I'd rather they be on my device wading through my wall of ads.
