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What does Lin's breakout game mean going forward?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Beard, Dec 10, 2012.

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  1. larsv8

    larsv8 Contributing Member

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    Its cherry picking.
     
  2. zdrav

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    Keep grasping.
     
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    It's wholly irrelevant whether or not Harden was included into the mix because Harden's a great player anyway and his inclusion would only strengthen the argument that Lin's achievement is a strong sign that he is a very talented player.

    Now if Torocan had "conveniently" left out a bunch of journey scrubs, then that would actually make your argument worth something.
     
  4. just a word

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    Just curious; what sort of play (or stats that match up to that play) would let you concede that Lin is a good player?

    Not great, just 'good'.

    Basically: what, in your opinion, are the statistical earmarks of a good player?
     
  5. zdrav

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    Obviously, a starting baseline of at least 15-10 that will grow to 20-15 in his second year. By his third year, he must be averaging 25-20 in order to deserve his superstar-level contract.

    Lin must also find a way to grow another foot in height so that he can back up Asik.
     
  6. apollo33

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    Not shooting 39 and 31 percent from the field would be a good start.
     
  7. zdrav

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    He's shooting 44% in his last 10 games.
     
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    Okay ? That's not what I posted. I'm glad u thinking shooting an average percentage for ten games makes you a good NBA starting point guard.

    Smh. Clutch is right u guys are a different breed
     
  9. lfw

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    So a player getting 38 points and 7 assists only happened 613 times since 1985-1986 season til now and Lin has 2 of them over his 45 starts but somehow that is cherry picking?

    LMAO!! Please enlighten all of us how that is cherry picking? I would love to hear this. :grin:
     
  10. Beard

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    his contract isnt superstar level

    8 Millionish per year guys (based on last years salaries i think)

    Jose Calderon $9,780,991
    Gerald Wallace $9,500,000
    Richard Jefferson $9,282,000
    Stephen Jackson $9,256,500
    Andrea Bargnani $9,250,000
    Devin Harris $9,205,000
    Boris Diaw $9,000,000
    Andris Biedrins $9,000,000
    Lamar Odom $8,900,000
    Luis Scola $8,591,793
    Rodney Stuckey $8,500,000
    Jason Kidd $8,500,000
    Carl Landry $8,500,000
    John Salmons $8,500,000
    Maurice Williams $8,500,000
    Paul Millsap $8,103,435
    Kirk Hinrich $8,000,000
    Caron Butler $8,000,000
    Kris Humphries $8,000,000
    Andre Miller $7,807,728
    Shawn Marion $7,725,932
    Anderson Varejao $7,700,000
    Brendan Haywood $7,624,500
    Leandro Barbosa $7,600,000
    Jameer Nelson $7,600,000
    Arron Afflalo $7,562,500
    Raymond Felton $7,560,000
    Charlie Villanueva $7,540,000
    Marvin Williams $7,500,000
    Thaddeus Young $7,478,261
    Tyrus Thomas $7,305,785
    Travis Outlaw $7,000,000
    Vince Carter $7,000,000
    Marcus Thornton $7,000,000
    Samuel Dalembert $7,000,000


    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2EnSUpJLh
    http://www.draftexpress.com
     
  11. Beard

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    haha I think thats just a very crazy coincidence
     
  12. glacier921

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    Wow, this is great. I just love how LOHs argue against LOFs with denials rather than real numbers. Lin was right, haters will be haters.
     
  13. Beard

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    Sigh. Teams have a difficult time with ball dominant SG franchise players. See Bryant, Kobe.
     
  15. rvpals

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    I like the aggressive attacking Lin. That's when he's at his best. Sometimes I see Lin just thought that he has to be a pass first point guard. If he sees an opening, just go in and score. Many times in the Knicks when he played last season, that he went through 2 guys and got underneath the basket, and shock me by passing to his team mate, which I guess shock the team mate as well, so they did not expect the pass and it sails out of bound. In that case, he should have just taking that lay up after all the work of getting to the basket.
     
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    I think it's especially impressive knowing that he did against the top ranked team in the league.
     
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    It shows an upward trend that we assumed would happen once Lin shook off the rust and adjusted to his tweaked shooting mechanics.

    It's also relatively normal for otherwise talented young PGs to be inconsistent shooters early in their careers: see Ricky Rubio, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, Jason Kidd, John Wall...

    Not saying that Jeremy Lin will ever be in that class of elite PGs, but the list of PGs who've managed to score 38 points TWICE within their first 50 starts is very short indeed.
     
  18. larsv8

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    Apollo33 pretty much nailed it.

    Because it doesn't mean anything? For starters the NBA has transitioned into getting players onto the court younger so todays 24 is previous generations 26-27. Another, Lin's includes an overtime game where five additional minutes are available. Is that taken into consideration? Why don't we remove his overtime points and assists. It falliciously misleads the interprettor that Lin is in the same class as those other players when he very clearly is NOT.

    Jeremy Lin has been awful for this basketball team thus far. He is probably in the bottom 5-10 of starting PGs in the league this year. Seriously name who you think are top 5 worst starting PGs in the league and lets compare thier production.

    We now have what 20 games of Linsanity on the Knicks, 20 games of Lincrapity on the Rockets and a handful of other games where he has been very average.
     
  19. AvgJoe

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    How about you start by naming other 5 starting PGs in the league this year that got Lin's numbers last night? Even if it was just the regular game numbers?
     
  20. Solidz75

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    Rubio elite? Not yet.
     
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