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The Vatican calls Obama arrogant; excoriates his lack of ability to listen

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  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    That shine is really wearing off on Obama...now even the Vatican is calling him arrogant. They are already calling his brief time in office a disappointment.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7849600.stm

    Vatican attacks US abortion move

    The Vatican has condemned President Obama's move to restore US funding for family planning clinics abroad that give advice on or carry out abortions.

    One Vatican official warned against the "arrogance" of those in power who think they can decide between life and death.

    Another official said it dealt a blow to groups fighting against "the slaughter of the innocents".

    The White House says the move aligns the US with other nations fighting poverty and promoting health care.

    On Friday, Mr Obama ended a ban on giving US federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide information about them.

    Robust language

    In an interview published in an Italian newspaper on Saturday, senior Vatican official Monsignor Rino Fisichella urged Mr Obama to listen to all voices in America without "the arrogance of those who, being in power, believe they can decide of life and death."

    "If this is one of President Obama's first acts, I have to say, in all due respect, that we're heading quickly toward disappointment," Mr Fisichella, who heads the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life, told the Corriere della Sera.


    HAVE YOUR SAY It should be the right of all women of the world to take decisions such as this.
    Joy, Switzerland
    Send us your commentsAnother Academy official, Monsignor Elio Sgreccia, said it had dealt a harsh blow to US Catholics and people across the world who are fighting against "the slaughter of the innocents".

    The criticism from the Vatican adds to concerns from evangelical Protestant groups that the US decision could presage a wider dismantling of the legal limits of abortion.

    Critics of the former funding ban had long argued that it hurt some of the poorest people in the world by denying money to groups that might support abortion, but also work on other aspects of reproductive health care or HIV/Aids.

    The ban was first introduced in 1984 by President Ronald Reagan. It was rescinded by President Bill Clinton, before being reinstated by President George W Bush in 2001.
     
    #1 bigtexxx, Jan 25, 2009
  2. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    I support pissing off the vatican as much as possible.
     
    #2 DonnyMost, Jan 25, 2009
  3. hotblooded

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    Do you know which former president is arrogant and lacks the ability to listen? :D
     
    #3 hotblooded, Jan 25, 2009
  4. FLAGRANT1

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    Christians answer to God, not the vatican (intentionally lowercased) and certainly not to bbs posters.
     
    #4 FLAGRANT1, Jan 25, 2009
  5. bigtexxx

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  6. FLAGRANT1

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    Ar-ro-gent

    –adjective
    1. making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant bbs poster.

    Synonyms-see bigtexx, Trader Jorge
     
    #6 FLAGRANT1, Jan 25, 2009
  7. Master Baiter

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    So because the Vatican doesn't like Obama's political stances on abortion that makes Obama arrogant. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
     
    #7 Master Baiter, Jan 25, 2009
  8. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    It does make perfect sense.

     
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  9. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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  10. FLAGRANT1

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    Seems like a fairly arrogant response.........when all else fails spell check, huh?
     
    #10 FLAGRANT1, Jan 25, 2009
  11. Caboose

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    Same here.
     
    #11 Caboose, Jan 25, 2009
  12. Major Malcontent

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    Wow..at one a day, assuming a second term. Texxx is gonna crank out 2920 posts worth of meaningless anti Obama drivel.

    Maybe I should print them all out for when I run out of toilet paper.
     
    #12 Major Malcontent, Jan 25, 2009
  13. JayZ750

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    Abortion is legal here in America! Yay!
     
    #13 JayZ750, Jan 25, 2009
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    Excellent post bigtexxx. You're doing everyone a service.
     
    #14 FranchiseBlade, Jan 25, 2009
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    Man, if ever there were an example of 'the pot calling the kettle', the "infallible" Vatican accusing someone of arrogance would be it.
     
    #15 Dubious, Jan 25, 2009
  16. Rocketman95

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    so if the vatican thinks obama is arrogant because he claims his position is correct, that means the vatican doesn't believe they are correct in their beliefs or they too (and every other person who believes their beliefs to be right), by their definition, would be arrogant.
     
    #16 Rocketman95, Jan 25, 2009
  17. DonnyMost

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    So bigtexxx is Catholic?

    Time to start acting like a Christ follower, bruh.
     
    #17 DonnyMost, Jan 25, 2009
  18. Buck Turgidson

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    This is the same Vatican that recently reversed the excommunication of a Holocaust-denying bishop in England.

    I, for one, am *shocked* that the Vatican would disagree with increased funding for family planning education. Kudos to the thread starter for bringing this bit of vitally important news to our attention.
     
    #18 Buck Turgidson, Jan 25, 2009
  19. Rocket River

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    Don't worry about it . .the will forgive him
    I mean
    This is a new world
    Where a guy who attended a Nazi youth camp can become Pope!

    Rocket River
     
    #19 Rocket River, Jan 25, 2009
  20. durvasa

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    This charge of "arrogance" really makes no sense. If he chooses to enforce the ban, then is he not ignoring the position of the majority of our Western allies? Isn't he "not listening" to the concerns of a number of aid groups around the world? Some how, that's less arrogant?

    Here's the thing. Enforcing the ban means certain groups can not receive aid. Lifting a ban does not mean that those groups will receive aid. Other qualifications/standards might be put in place, at our discretion. Basically, what this does is it leaves our options more open in deciding who to give aid to. To me, that is actually a more open-minded position.
     
    #20 durvasa, Jan 25, 2009
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