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Kawhi is 100x better than harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Htowngenius, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. jowman

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    Y’all are pathetic and deserve to have deangelo Russell as the star player for next 10 years. Kawhi showed up but he bitched out on his team and sat games out. Maybe harden would have more energy if he sat out in the reg season too
     
  2. fallenphoenix

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    come on, man. just look at each of their situation's. harden has never had as reliable teammates as kawhi. it's so much more difficult to be efficient when the other team is able to focus on you.

    kawhi is a great player and absolutely balling, but i hate labels like that.
     
  3. PWR

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    Are people really still debating this?

    I will repost what I said earlier in this thread...

    "Playoffs vs Golden State this year

    Kawhi vs Warriors
    Thru 4 games
    30.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 4 apg, 2 spg
    Opponents shot 45.7% against him.

    Harden vs Warriors
    Thru 6 games
    34.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 5.5 apg, 2.2 spg
    Opponents shot 44.4% against him

    So, how is Kawhi even 2X better than James...let alone 100X?????
    Please make it make sense for me. Anybody?"

    The question still stands.
     
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  4. HP3

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    Anyone who says that they are better without Durant are crazy. So chill. People were saying that they are still a talented team witthout him which is also true. Its why Raptors lost game 2 at hom.
     
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  5. Imanimal

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    In fairness, Harden was taking twice as many shots to get his 34. Kawhi is more efficient with his points, but I still would love to see these guys with our 4 scrubs. Harden has been cursed with awful teammates...the one time he had a still decent Paul, we were hosed by the refs and the Paul injury or else Harden has a ring today.
     
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  6. BigDog63

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    Hyperbole much? If someone thinks Kawhi is better than Harden, there is an argument for that. But 100x better? Get a grip, dude. Did Kawhi have to carry Toronto single handedly most of the season? Did Kawhi put up legendary numbers while doing so? No, and No. In fact, Kawhi hasn't had an outstanding series, even. He had one good game, made up of mostly one good quarter. That makes him 100x better than Harden?

    Good grief, sports fans are a fickle, shortsighted, group. All they ever really seem to remember is the previous game.
     
  7. TEXNIFICENT

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    We'll agree to disagree. Spurs should've gotten more in the trade but it doesn't change the fact that he faked being hurt, refused to play, turned down $200 mill and forced a trade.
     
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    Harden despite being less talented than Kawhi, didn't have to try and actually quit while putting up those numbers.

    While Kawhi tried his best at all times to get his.

    SMH.
     
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    Fact is the rest of the league isn't that good against a healthy Warriors team. All points can be true. Rox lost by 20 points TOTAL the entire series and they're not that good loosing by a few buxkets on avg....what does that say for the rest of the league...and I'm talking a healthy Warriors Dynasty not this Hopium I'm witnessing from the Raptors. Yes Rox need to make changes but there is some fantasy fiction going on too

     
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  10. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Easter Egg Hunter - Tell me why? نحن عائلة
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    Raps could be a One Hit Wonder or Two Hits Wonder depending on what other teams do in the Offseason and during arms race.
     
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  11. don grahamleone

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    Flat out, James Harden is a better player than Kawhi. There's so much praise for Kawhi because of what is currently happening, but people are ignoring the injuries the Warriors have that the Rockets were not blessed with. The Rockets are better than the Raptors. The Raptors just played the Warriors at the exact right time. This could be us out there if the situations were changed. Kawhi is good, great even, but he's also lucky right now because if the Warriors were fully healthy, they probably run over this Toronto squad.

    Hell, the Rox were good enough to beat the Warriors if Durant was out from the get go.
     
  12. Big Uns

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    Is it forgotten that there was no KD for 2 games. That Kkay was hurt, and AI was hurt also in the Rockets series?

    The main difference is effort. I'm tired of watching Harden lose a ball and not get back on D. Every single time he strolls back. When was the last time we watched Harden step into the lane to defend a driving player and not merely try to ole the player? Or if Harden isnt the main piece player on O.

    Y'all are so blinded by his iso ball we lose the fact that he puts little effort into transition D, boxing out, stepping into the lane. Rotation D is atrocious.
     
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  13. roslolian

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    Lol Rox lost 2 games without KD and Cousins so whats your basis for saying Rox could have beaten GSW if KD was out from the get go? Looking at the stats they actually performed better with KD as Tucker can defend him pretty well. OTH Kawhi has lead his team to beat the KD-less Warriors thats why he is getting the praise. If Harden is the one who did it then he will get credit but thats not what happened so how is he the best player? We are talking about the CURRENT best player in the NBA and thats Kawhi because he is proving it on the only stage that matters. The fact that if fully healthy GSW will run over Toronto is moot as they have 5 all stars+Iggy who is a former all star himself.


    Playoff Kawhi: 31 pts 9.1 rebs 3.1 ast 50% FG 39% 3 pt

    Playoff Harden: 31 pts 6.6 rebs 6.6 ast 41% FG 35% 3 pt

    Based on stats alone you can see Kawhi has put up a better (more efficient) performance vs much harder competition and thats not to mention his defense which we all know is much better than Harden's. Kawhi also doesnt get Westbrick-itis like Harden does at end of games, he makes the right decision to close the game out unlike Harden who falls in love with stepback 3 and shoots his team out of the game. This doesnt show in the stats but Harden's brain farts like hogging the ball or not being involved at all at the end of the game does not help his team win.

    I understand this is a Rocket board and you have bias against Kawhi because he is a former Spur but give credit where credit is due. Nobody who is objectively looking at things will say Harden is better than Kawhi.
     
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  14. Cstyle42

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    Numbers mean less when look at what or who makes the overall team better on both sides of the court and through in game adjustments. Yeah Harden gets his beautiful numbers but they are gimmicky in that he does a lot in hurting the overall result of the team in playoff games more specifically late in 4th quarters. Kawhi will stab a knife in the other teams heart and take the game like it was always his... Harden just doesn't have that in his dna nor does he have it in him to be a 1st team all defensive player. The guy just doesn't have it. He's still a great talent and a incredible, amazing player. To lead a team to a NBA title he still needs to mature his individual game and his team leadership in various areas.
     
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  15. DatRocketFan

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    Stupid thread. If u like to post a thread to suck Kawhis balls while sht talking our star go to the Raptors fansite.

    100x better my ass.
     
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  16. jsilencio

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    He’s not 100x better, but he is better than James. Kawhi seems to have what it takes to close big games, whereas James doesn’t. I’m not sure how many times better that makes him, but that’s kind of all that matters in the end. Maybe that makes him infinitely/unquantifiably better.
     
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  17. Mr. Clutch

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    additional playoff stats:

    Harden: .567 ts%, 4.6 turnovers, 111 ORTG
    Kawhi: .629 ts%, 3.0 turnovers, 120 ORTG
     
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  18. KingLeoric

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    Kawhi is NO. 2 all time in career playoff TS% :eek:
     
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  19. PeterKingX

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    Yeah Rockets are not blessed with. Warriors not playing Durant and Cousins is not ENOUGH for Rockets. It would be much better that half of Warriors not playing due to injury. Rockets are so bad lucky.
    They would sweep the ****ing Bucks if they are in east...

    Lmao...
     
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    I think both are good, though Kobe was right in that Harden’s style won’t translate to playoff success. We were going to face either the Warriors, Raptors or Bucks at some point and all have defenses capable of stifling our one dimensional attack.

    What’s a little annoying is that I feel like Harden (and the Rockets) thinks that he has to force feed things to manufacture points. Just look at Kawhi. If you rely on the system more than yourself, the points will come anyway. Only they’ll be more efficient and it’s more conducive to Ws.

    Things change quickly though. Last year we were grilling Kawhi for bailing on his team and being a malcontent. This year he’s a hero.
     
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